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Old 06-09-2012, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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Being in this country illegally isn't a crime. What the mother was convicted of and sentenced to prison for was aggravated identity theft, most likely using someone else's social security card so that she could get a job. However, according to the article, the Supreme Court has since decided that aggravated identity theft can not be used in cases like this.
Last time I checked, the word "illegally" means a crime was committed.
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Old 06-09-2012, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Last time I checked, the word "illegally" means a crime was committed.
Then you haven't checked well enough. "Illegal" just means that it's against the law. There are plenty of things that are illegal but aren't a crime. For instance, it's illegal to run a red light but it's not a crime. It's illegal to build a house without a permit but it's not a crime. Being in the US illegally is not a crime either. It's a violation of immigration law which is a civil offense. Not a criminal offense.
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Old 06-10-2012, 03:51 AM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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Then you haven't checked well enough. "Illegal" just means that it's against the law. There are plenty of things that are illegal but aren't a crime. For instance, it's illegal to run a red light but it's not a crime. It's illegal to build a house without a permit but it's not a crime. Being in the US illegally is not a crime either. It's a violation of immigration law which is a civil offense. Not a criminal offense.
You're really going to play that game? Whatever. I have better things to do with my time. The better things include you know working toward being able to adopt the children we want to adopt in order to give them a shot at life.
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Old 06-10-2012, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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How is stating facts playing a game? I think you just don't want to admit you're wrong.
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Here is yet another case regarding an adopted Guatemalan child.

US tells Guatemala it will not return adopted girl | World news | guardian.co.uk
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Old 07-03-2012, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Yes i guess that means all poor parents should just put their children up for adoption then :roll eyes:.
Has anyone said that poverty parents should not have kids or should put them all up for adoption? I think you are missing the point, maybe you are somehow personally affected by this, but regardless, in this case it is not the poverty part, it is the danges of adoption internationally. I am not oppossed to international adopted. I know many that have ended up with everyone living happily ever after.This is one that may not end up that way....This doesn't have anything to do with whether poor people should raise or can raise kids to become good citizens and happy, well adjusted adults. I will add, this isn't really about an international adoption, it is more about legal immigration and whether she could even take him back to her home country. If he was born in America and is an American citizen what would happen then? There is no right or wrong answer to this story. We had one, similar when we lived in NM> In that case the little girl was returned to her biological mother...My heart goes out to everyone, especially the child.

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Old 08-23-2012, 11:39 AM
 
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Well, I agree with you here but as you see from some responses on this board and just how the media will portray things, the sympathy vote will always go to this "poor" woman who has had her child stripped away from her by the courts. Doesn't really matter how happy and thriving the child may be now in his home with his adoptive parents---this poor single (and now pregnant) lady is pining away for her child.

Now if she truly did opt for a long deportation fight in courts and made the conscious choice to place this child in foster homes until she could get out of jail, screw her. My sympathy lies completely with the adoptive parents who will provide this child a "better" life. As I said before though, I'm sure the courts will rule in her favor and this child will be taken away from his parents and off he goes to live with his "real" mother.
She IS a poor woman, who had her child STOLEN away from her by the courts, that should NEVER have been done....she deserves to have HER child returned to her, and she should be compensated royally, then she wouldn't be the "poor" mother anymore, and maybe then she wouldn't face the discrimination of having a child STOLEN from her, and then having to fight to get him (rightfully) returned to her.
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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She IS a poor woman, who had her child STOLEN away from her by the courts, that should NEVER have been done....she deserves to have HER child returned to her, and she should be compensated royally, then she wouldn't be the "poor" mother anymore, and maybe then she wouldn't face the discrimination of having a child STOLEN from her, and then having to fight to get him (rightfully) returned to her.
so now we owe her money and this will make everything alright. She will no longer be poor, what do you consider enough money to keep her from being a poor woman? There is no right or wrong answer to some of these problems; think of the adoptive parents and of the child, not just the Poor mommy!!! Poor mommies and daddies need to consider the consequences when they decide to come here illegally.

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Old 09-05-2012, 03:23 PM
 
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It'll sure make things better!!!...this woman did not give her children away,..think of the MOMMY...and there IS a right answer to this "problem"...it goes...Don't steal someone else children, and think you can get away with it"...the courts are to blame for this adoptive couples anguish, not the real mom, and the poor little boy will pay the price.
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