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Old 12-22-2012, 02:43 AM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:45 AM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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This ban is already affecting people even though it hasn't been passed. People who are in Russia with scheduled court dates have had their court dates canceled. These people have already met the children since you meet the kids a few months before court.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:21 AM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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This bill will mean certain death for many orphans (particularly those with special needs.) It just disgusts me that they treat their children how they do, and then they go and do stuff like this. This is one reason why we are not adopting from Russia.
The bill would mean that. However, if you are concerned about the many children in Russia, special needs and non-special needs , who will be relegated to the back wards of some hideous, understaffed and draconian institution, or the children who will be put out on the streets at 16 and fall into lives of crime, prostitution and drugs; perhaps it's a country that more of us should think about.

while we still can.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:39 AM
 
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I am opposed to the adoption of Russian children by Americans. and it's not even American parents themselves (although we all know about the many cases of child abuse) The fact is that the U.S. government refers to these children not as citizens of America.
Idiotic statement. Check your facts. As others have said, the moment my children set foot in America, they were American citizens. Adopting them in the United States gave them a state issued birth certificate.

If you feel so passionately, get off your high horse and adopt a child yourself. If more Russian citizens did this, you wouldn't have the problem of foreigners coming into your country and adopting the children. Until you have seen the dismal nature of the orphanages, you really have no clue.

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Old 12-22-2012, 09:52 AM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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No. I have read many, many times of the seemingly unstoppable rumor of children from various Eastern European countries being adopted by Americans for their body parts frightening older children into refusing adoption, in places like Russia and Ukraine. Unfortunately, this preposterous legend lives on, and is taken seriously by far too many gullible people.
It does Craig. It happened to friends of mine in a Russian area of Kazakhstan. They did end up adopting the two sisters, but they were terrified at first that they were only wanted for their organs.
Sadly, some of this information came from orphanage staff!

The ending was happy. An older trusted boy of 14 was enlisted to explain that the girls would be safe and the stories were untrue.
He had been overlooked for adoption because he had burns caused by the family of origin - they through hot oil in his face as "punishment". My friends decided to adopt him also. He has grown to be an exceptional young man.
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:27 AM
 
Location: the Beaver State
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Please explain to me why any American family would go to Russia to adopt children when there are tens of thousands of children here who already need a family....
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:34 AM
 
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Please explain to me why any American family would go to Russia to adopt children when there are tens of thousands of children here who already need a family....

There was a lengthy discussion on this a couple months back:

Domestic v. International Adoption: a clear path begins to emerge!


If this is a topic you'd like to re-visit, you're welcome to start a new thread -- let's leave this one specifically for the topic being discussed. Thanks!


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Old 12-22-2012, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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The bill would mean that. However, if you are concerned about the many children in Russia, special needs and non-special needs , who will be relegated to the back wards of some hideous, understaffed and draconian institution, or the children who will be put out on the streets at 16 and fall into lives of crime, prostitution and drugs; perhaps it's a country that more of us should think about.

while we still can.
We also can't afford a Russian adoption. They are almost always between 40 and 70 thousand.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:12 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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We also can't afford a Russian adoption. They are almost always between 40 and 70 thousand.
Ukraine adoptions are a fraction of that cost. The situation that the children face is similar. They are thrown out at 16 or 17, the ones who are disabled are warehoused in awful places, Ukrainians rarely adopt, and when they do, it is only infants.

A Ukraine adoption is very inexpensive and if done independently, other than the home study, BCIS and background checks, it is an inexpensive way to go.

We are in the process of an independent adoption now. No outlay of money until we meet and accept the child or children and they accept us. Children over nine must consent to the adoption, which I think is a good thing.

Ukraine adoptions - indie - $7000 - 15,000. Agency $20,000 - 30, 000. BIG DIFFERENCE.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:29 PM
 
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That's why we're going to do Ukraine.
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