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Old 07-13-2014, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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I do admit, it appears dads parental rights were violated and no, the family that has raised her apparently didn't have the right to adopt her
Bingo. Which is why the "adoption" was vacated.

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No buts, that's really all there is. The "adoption" should never have been allowed; if anyone had been really concerned about the baby (so many years ago when she was never properly returned) they should have reported it to the proper authorities in the state where she and her father lived; and if the former FOSTER parents had the child's best interests in mind (rather than their own) they would have cooperated with the law from the get go and this wouldn't have dragged on for years and the child would have had a smoother transition. But they chose instead to allow the situation to go unresolved for much longer than necessary. The one who suffered the most as a result was the child.

It's a sad situation all around and only time will tell . Unfortunately for this child ALL the adults in her life made poor choices. Just because some of them are closer to living like you and me, doesn't give them a pass on illegal activities or indicate they love this child more than her father does.

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Old 07-13-2014, 08:28 PM
 
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The father thinks she is a piece of property like Sheena said or it appears he does.
Why do you think this? Since he and his mom have been fighting to get her back for years, since B4 he went to jail when the babysitter failed to return her from another state - I mean why does that mean he thinks of her as property? What does that mean the ex-foster parents are doing?
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Old 07-15-2014, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Tonawanda NY
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Does anyone care about children or their parents? Or are the only concerns of some judges, that "flesh and blood" are reunited?

I saw this tonight on "AC 360" (Anderson Cooper's program on CNN)

This happy and well adjusted 9 year old was ripped from what appeared to be a normal, middle income home, with two loving and doting parents;and removed several states away to a run down home with a strange man who is an ex-con.

Her sobbing was heart wrenching. She pleaded for her parents to help her and complained that the house in which she was forced to live was filthy and infested with mold and stunk of cigarets.

THIS is child abuse!


Tennessee girl Sonya Hodgin, 9, taken from adoptive parents and returned to biological father | Mail Online
I read the whole story, this is a heart breaking mess that was created by a woman who abducted a child from her father and then abandoned her to live with someone else, who then gave her to someone else to be adopted by. I feel for the child because she did bond with her new family but her Father was wronged and so was she. If you read further into this story these adopted parents are no saints. This case was started when she was very young and they pulled it through the system to keep what they wanted, not giving one care about the child who had a Father and other family trying to get custody as soon as they found her when she was an infant. Just Sad!
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Old 07-15-2014, 02:34 PM
 
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It is indeed sad, and I agree, the "adoptive" parents are largely to blame. There was nepotism in the original placement, and many boxes weren't checked.

Meanwhile, the girl has repeatedly stated that she is happy at home with her father, and does not wish to return to TN.
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Planet Earth
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It is a very sad story, but the foster/adoptive/foster parents are not completely innocent here. The bio father never voluntarily relinquished his rights to her, and the foster parents knew he wanted her back, from the very beginning. They proceeded with adoption anyway. Within a year of the adoption, it was reversed. That was over 5 years ago. They've had all of that time to try to prepare from the transition back to bio custody, but instead they chose to fight it.

Grace: Nebraska girl caught in 2-state custody tug-of-war - Omaha.com
Too sad. It's just another war on poor people. You poor had some trouble with the law? Let's take your kid and give the child to the "perfect" family.

It's a shame, though, as in the case of the 9 y.o if ALL parties should have cooperated for the best interest of the child, perhaps shared custody. What a shock to live in a home for 9 years and then go live another.

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Old 07-16-2014, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Planet Earth
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poor girl!! He probably looks forward to the welfare/food stamps/other perks he get as a single parent
That is nothing to look forward to. Contrary to popular belief, welfare doesn't make someone rich, AND it's a struggle even with those things.

What bothers me, are the people who judgemental of someone who was in jail, he paid his debt, that does not negate his legal right as a parent. Sorry.
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Old 07-16-2014, 11:22 AM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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That is nothing to look forward to. Contrary to popular belief, welfare doesn't make someone rich, AND it's a struggle even with those things.

What bothers me, are the people who judgemental of someone who was in jail, he paid his debt, that does not negate his legal right as a parent. Sorry.
I believe what is disturbing about this conversation is how people haven't learned from history and prejudice is still a big part of life today. Its no longer racism, sexism anymore as its classism.

The father hasn't been found unfit as a parent by any specialist or court. Why would it matter if he gets on welfare or foodstamps if he needs it? 95% of people using it had paid taxes that support the program.
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Old 07-16-2014, 12:44 PM
 
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I believe what is disturbing about this conversation is how people haven't learned from history and prejudice is still a big part of life today. Its no longer racism, sexism anymore as its classism.

The father hasn't been found unfit as a parent by any specialist or court. Why would it matter if he gets on welfare or foodstamps if he needs it? 95% of people using it had paid taxes that support the program.
You hit the nail on the head, it is classism. I would bet some of the "higher class' people had trouble with the law-the big difference between the classes is one can afford a good attorney.
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:54 PM
 
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Give me a break! This isn't classism, not even close. The biological father broke the law. His rights have not been restored for a reason...he has not proven himself to be a "good" father. If he does, I'm sure the state will restore his parental rights. Either way, he is still primarily responsible for all of this disruption in Sonya's life.
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Old 07-19-2014, 11:58 AM
 
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You've made it very clear how you feel about this Jaded. For those who are interested in the timeline, and why many of us disagree that Sonya should be returned to the "adoptive" parents, this is a good recap:

The Sonya McCaul Case: Dispelling the Lies | Ethical Christian Adoption
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