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Old 10-10-2017, 04:22 PM
 
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Yes xyz340, actually I forgot about that! Darn it- you got me and middletwin there -- I had forgotten all about the epidemic of birth parents who attempt to literally "force" adoptive parents to start a "marijuana farm" and the poor helpless adoptive parents are like "oh dear what do we do honey? "
Let me get this straight, so you support birth families doing this to get the adoptive families to pay them back for the child the gifted them? By the way this is a real criminal case in our county.
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Old 10-10-2017, 04:28 PM
 
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"What would you call this?"

An epidemic... were screwed..legions of birth parents trying to force adoptive parents to let them take their bio child to family reunions that always of course occur "across state lines"
So another case, which I'm sure you will state does not exist, the court decided that birth family does not have custody of the child and cannot demand custody back to show to relatives in another state. It appears that the birth mother told her relatives in another state that she was "co-parenting" with the adoptive family. Please note that I'm quoting directly from the birth mother's affidavit. The court also ordered that any future visits be supervised by our local foster care office.
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Old 10-10-2017, 04:37 PM
 
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Correct, open adoption is marketing.Traditionally, it was a tactic used to ensnare a pregnant woman, to finish the sale.

Correct, second parents can reneg at any time, then and they still can.

Industries and businesses use lobbyists to get bills into laws.
I've never seen a second parent adoption. Perhaps can you share how that works.

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Legal definition of second parents adoption:

In a second parent adoption case a child who already has one parent with parental rights is adopted by another parent(s), without terminating the existing parental rights
I assume you are referring to relative adoption. (AKA - a second spouse adopts children from their current spouse) But I never seen a birth mother have a "second adoption" with a couple. And if you have seen this, would not that be co-parenting?

And again marketing tactics don't have the same standing as law. Matter of fact they have no legal standing.
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Old 10-10-2017, 07:30 PM
 
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So another case, which I'm sure you will state does not exist, the court decided that birth family does not have custody of the child and cannot demand custody back to show to relatives in another state. It appears that the birth mother told her relatives in another state that she was "co-parenting" with the adoptive family. Please note that I'm quoting directly from the birth mother's affidavit. The court also ordered that any future visits be supervised by our local foster care office.
Incredible
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Old 10-10-2017, 07:33 PM
 
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Let me get this straight, so you support birth families doing this to get the adoptive families to pay them back for the child the gifted them? By the way this is a real criminal case in our county.
Uh Middletwin, can you translate what they're talking about? I support birth families doing what to get adoptive families to "pay back" what? For "the child the gifted them?"
Please note this is a real (as opposed to fake?) criminal case! I'm really worried and need reassurance about people forcing other people to cultivate marijuana farms and stuff like that...
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Old 10-10-2017, 07:37 PM
 
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Xy340

Not sure if this will help clarify your confusion about Middletwins post stating that second parents renig on open adoption agreements.... you seemed confused about the second parent --- the second parent is the one who comes after the first parent.
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:18 AM
 
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So another case, which I'm sure you will state does not exist, the court decided that birth family does not have custody of the child and cannot demand custody back to show to relatives in another state. It appears that the birth mother told her relatives in another state that she was "co-parenting" with the adoptive family. Please note that I'm quoting directly from the birth mother's affidavit. The court also ordered that any future visits be supervised by our local foster care office.

This post is spurious. Open-adoption is not co-parenting. I will remind you that it appears based on the abbreviated discussion relative to the case, that the court is acting appropriately.
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:33 AM
 
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Uh Middletwin, can you translate what they're talking about? I support birth families doing what to get adoptive families to "pay back" what? For "the child the gifted them?"
Please note this is a real (as opposed to fake?) criminal case! I'm really worried and need reassurance about people forcing other people to cultivate marijuana farms and stuff like that...
It's either an inflammatory post or they actually think humans are gifts, first families are villains and incorrectly thinks open-adoption is co-parenting. Either way, credibility is lost.
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Old 10-13-2017, 01:37 PM
 
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So at what point would it be co-parenting? At what point would the adoptive parents just be baby-sitting for the birth family?

I read the excerpt...the way I understand it, there would be a requirement of allowing the birth parent(s) ONE visit between the ages of 1 and 5. That's hardly co-parenting.


The excerpt then went on to say that many families develop closer relationships with birth parents, but certainly not all.
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Old 10-13-2017, 01:38 PM
 
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Personally, I think the whole approach is pretty enlightened.
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