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Old 09-09-2012, 12:50 PM
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I've heard they can even get two harvests there, not sure.
There are places in Russia warm enough to have a longer growing season.

I'm still thinking that the difference between the supply line in Alaska and the supply line elsewhere is that it's a long way from Moscow to Alaska, versus Moscow southward through Odessa.
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Old 09-12-2012, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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So it's really not about the difference between the "adjacency" of acquired colonies, or their distant location; it's more about the specific mindset and culture of the colonial power.
But you haven't explained why you think the Russians of the 19th century would have had a different mindset in Africa, from what the French or British or Portuguese did? If you do, please explain why. Russia had an opportunity to move into adjoining lands to the east, and France and Britain did not. So they did. Russia did things differently where they were geographically placed to do so, but that is no evidence that they would have acted differently in Africa than the other colonial powers did there.

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I have no idea why you are talking about South Africa.
Isn't it the country of apartheid, the ultimate example of the fact that Western Europeans and Africans do not mix very well to say the least, thus proving my point?
I talked about South Africa because RSA and Kenya are the only countries in Africa in which Europeans made any effort to actually settle, as opposed to simply be overseers of economic exploitation. And without that settling presence, the Russians would have behaved exactly the same way the other colonial powers did in Africa.

If you think Russians in Africa would have set up substantial territories of European-occupied farmsteads, present your evidence for why you think that.

Nobody in British Africa ever said "Someday this will all be part of England", and the Russians wouldn't have either. It not the same as settling in Kazakhstan and saying "Someday this will all be part of Russia."
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Old 08-10-2015, 05:57 AM
 
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"What if Russia had colonized parts of Africa"

There would have been wars between Africans with help from Europe and Russia.
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Old 08-14-2015, 08:54 AM
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"What if Russia had colonized parts of Africa"

There would have been wars between Africans with help from Europe and Russia.
I'm guessing you are speaking of proxy wars. Can you elaborate more?
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Old 08-14-2015, 02:39 PM
 
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I'm guessing you are speaking of proxy wars. Can you elaborate more?
I don't think Russia was invited at the Berlin Conference.

Most Africans don't really accept Atheism especially when its forced by the white men from far away.
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Old 08-15-2015, 07:33 PM
 
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Colonialism was happening before the Russian Revolution, so since "Russia" and not the "USSR" was mentioned in the OP, that means Imperial Russia, before socialism and atheism as some posters have mentioned.

What would have happened is the same that happened to everyone else; colonial territories would have eventually freed themselves, probably during the Russian Revolution, and the legacy of Imperial Russia would be left by way of language, architecture, and maybe institutions.

Those posters who mentioned "socialism" are incorrect, Imperial Russia was not a socialist state, it would have brought the worst forms of capitalism to the colonies just as it had existed in Imperial Russia which laid the foundation for a socialist revolt. African colonies would have probably slanted towards socialist/communist policies just as they did with other colonial rulers as Africa was basically exploited and was on the receiving end of the negatives that come with unregulated and brutal capitalism.
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:17 AM
 
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Russia colonized the Central Asian -Stans, and those countries are now doing quite well, certainly better than Africa, and at least as well as Latin America.
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:22 PM
 
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Remember that early colonization was largely an endeavor to spread the church into the land of the heathens. As such, the Russians "colonized" the Pacific coast of North America nearly down to San Francisco, where Russian Orthodox and Spanish Catholic missions collided head on and tacitly agreed not to encroach on each other's territory. The Russians were still present in Sonoma County as late as 1842.

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Old 08-20-2015, 09:49 PM
 
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But you haven't explained why you think the Russians of the 19th century would have had a different mindset in Africa, from what the French or British or Portuguese did? If you do, please explain why. Russia had an opportunity to move into adjoining lands to the east, and France and Britain did not. So they did. Russia did things differently where they were geographically placed to do so, but that is no evidence that they would have acted differently in Africa than the other colonial powers did there.
As I've already said - I don't see Russians going to colonize Africa at all. I don't see Russians taking over the ethnic groups that they couldn't assimilate and absorb. My personal opinion is that Africans can't be absorbed by Europeans - at least in a way that Russians were absorbing the neighboring people.


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I talked about South Africa because RSA and Kenya are the only countries in Africa in which Europeans made any effort to actually settle, as opposed to simply be overseers of economic exploitation. And without that settling presence, the Russians would have behaved exactly the same way the other colonial powers did in Africa.
No, because unlike the Western rulers, Russian tzars were asking "Russian people" to be "kind and generous" with local population ( I think it was a case with Indians?) and to help to introduce them to Russian Orthodoxy. ( I've read about it all somewhere, just can't remember off top of my mind. Whatever queen was sitting on Russian throne at that time.) Russian ruling class was always treating Russian peasantry as some kind of "indigenous population" as well. There was always this eery feeling echoing "American South" ( as in "colonial") in this respect.
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Old 08-21-2015, 10:54 AM
 
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In short, no different from other colonizers in Africa.
Exactly. We know exactly how the "what if" would have turned out. History speaks unmistakably to that.
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