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Old 11-16-2012, 12:09 AM
 
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Journalist Omoyele Sowore exposes police corruption in his home country of Nigeria.




For SaharaReporters, Omoyele Sowore, underground in Nigeria - YouTube
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:14 AM
 
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The problem is african's have never been through a separation of family and society.

African culture is inherently corrupt as are most societies.

Eurocentrist due to narcissism forget the importance of how things such as the magnecarta, the end of feudalism, the protestant reformation. The wars of religion, the rise of capitalism, family structure changes, urbanization, industrialization, etc, all gradually changed western values.

Just ask a person of european descent what is fair, what is wrong, what is good etc.

You will quickly understand that these values have been beaten into us over centuries.


If there is hope for africa, an ethic or value system must be in place to counter corruption.

Societies are built on incremental growth. This growth must be reinvested if a land is to prosper this does not happen in africa in large part to do with corruption.

Granted in the west this process isn't complete, and the past finacial crisis can be seen as a product of our loss of a anti coruption morality.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:20 PM
 
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Et tu, Nigeria? I think among African nations, Nigeria is about the middle of the pack in terms of corruption.
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:24 PM
 
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Well here's how Nigeria compares.




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Transparency International’s 2011 Corruption Perceptions Index, CPI, scores countries on a scale of zero to 10, the higher the scores the lower the country’s level of corruption.

The 2011 least corrupt country in Africa is Botswana, a Southern African country, with scores of 6.1 points.

In West Africa, the least corrupt country is Cape Verde with scores of 5.5 points, while the most corrupt is Guinea with scores of 2.1 points.

The scores of other West African countries are listed below:
Benin: 3.0, Burkina Faso: 3.0, Ivory Coast: 2.2, Cape Verde: 5.5, Gambia: 3.5, Ghana: 3.9, Guinea: 2.1, Guinea-Bissau: 2.2, Liberia: 3.2, Mali: 2.8, Mauritania: 2.4, Niger: 2.5, Nigeria: 2.4, Senegal: 2.9, Sierra Leone: 2.5, Togo: 2.4.

http://africanspotlight.com/2011/12/...international/
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:49 AM
 
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The oil company my dad worked for once sent an African-American employee to Nigeria to be a trainer for a few months. Some time after he returned, the company asked him if he'd be willing to go back and he said, "hell no! they think I'm one of them!" So they asked my dad if he'd be willing to go. My dad had served in the Navy in Vietnam and wanted the extra money so he was game to try. Though he wasn't high level executive, they gave him an armored car with a driver. He was warned it was to protect him from the local police and not to open his window enough to allow officers to shove the barrel of a gun through the window. Where he was working, there was a four lane road with a shoulder (two lanes going one direction and two lanes going in the other direction). If everyone is going in one direction, they turn it into 6 lanes all heading in the same direction and if you wish to go in the other direction, might as well get off the road entirely. Not long after he arrived, there was a car crashed into a tree and the driver killed, partially hanging out the car. More than a month later, the car and body was still there at the tree. He asked the driver why no one had removed the car and body. Driver told him it's because the driver's family didn't have the money to pay people to move the car and body. On the day he was to return home, he discovered his passport and Visa were missing. He was warned about this as well so he was ready. He went to the police to report his missing passport and Visa. The officer told him if my dad gave him $100 American dollars, he would find his passport and Visa. My dad handed over the money and the officer told him, "good news, I found your passport and Visa" and pulled them out of his desk drawer handing them to my dad. He never went back. That was in the late 1990s. He said the Nigerians were horrible employees. Their favorite saying was "anytime from now". He'd ask when will they get to work, "anytime from now". When will the lunch break end, "anytime from now". They weren't lying, but that "anytime from now" could sometimes mean a day or two.
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:56 AM
 
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The funny thing is as much as the Tea Party was dissed by many in the U.S for being extremist when it came to small government countries like Nigeria could actually use a Tea Party over there pushing for smaller government. Nigeria is a country where BIG GOVERNMENT is actually a problem.


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As a result money which should otherwise be spent on meaningful social development has been devoted to paying salaries, constructing government houses, secretariats, houses of assembly, and quarters for the legislators, and of course the proliferation of fleets of official vehicles, many of them exotic and expensive. Added to that is the fad of state governors, some hardly able to meet their basic duty to the people, acquiring the costly taste of buying aircraft...

allAfrica.com: Nigeria: Cutting Down the Size of Government
Another example:

Uganda has 3rd largest cabinet in the world

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Old 11-22-2012, 08:58 AM
 
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The funny thing is as much as the Tea Party was dissed by many in the U.S for being extremist when it came to small government countries like Nigeria could actually use a Tea Party over there pushing for smaller government. Nigeria is a country where BIG GOVERNMENT is actually a problem.




Another example:

Uganda has 3rd largest cabinet in the world
The tea party is dissed for being moronic and stupid, it has nothing to do with political orientation.

Just as the problems in the size of government are not the problem that you just mentioned, it's the corruption issue. There government's are too big, there simply so corrupt the only thing that can be done is cutting them off.

Please no repsonses about my left wingedness. I'm actually more right wing than left.
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Old 11-22-2012, 11:25 AM
 
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Just as the problems in the size of government are not the problem that you just mentioned, it's the corruption issue. There government's are too big, there simply so corrupt the only thing that can be done is cutting them off.
Well it's more that big gov't in African countries waste money. Nigeria and Uganda don't need all the gov't workers that they have. The money used to pay their salaries could be better directed to other areas for development. This also contributes to tribalism in many countries because you end up with members of different tribes competing for gov't money and benefits.


From the Nigerian article:

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These states employ civil servants in excess of 150,000, approximately ninety commissioners, hundreds of special advisers and senior special assistants, and approximately 110 members of state houses of assembly.

As a result money which should otherwise be spent on meaningful social development has been devoted to paying salaries....
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:10 AM
 
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In countries that have very low employment and few prospects, government service is one of the few gainful opportunities for people who are reasonably well-educated. There is no private sector capable of hiring the workers necessary to do the ordinary things that keep a country functioning. The mal-distribution of the national wealth in most third world countries is even worse than it is in the USA, with the rich richer and the poor poorer, so the government needs to tax the rich, who are often absentee property owners, and use the revenues to maximize employment among the qualified (and in an imperfect world, the well-connected). So you have people on the government payroll handling many tasks that would be performed by the private sector in a developed country.

Also, don't forget that the salaries paid to all these government workers is spent in the marketplace, and recycled back into the economy.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:14 AM
 
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discussing corruption in nigeria is a high risk job. much like being a newspaper journalist in mexico.
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