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Old 04-04-2013, 11:46 AM
 
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I guess so. Sometimes that is a good thing, sometimes not so...
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:41 PM
 
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In terms of mentality, emancipation etc., most parts of Africa are where the West was a century or more ago.
Many African men are particularly backwards. Superstition is still widespread, which leads to odd views and customs... In Asia it is not much better in some respect.

I do think that sooner or later humans will all go similar ways and if they don't they will be considered backwards. In times of global exchange, media, etc. there is a kind of global evolution, that was missing as long as people were more or less isolated. Thus I do think that the most advanced cultures will largely determine the direction which less advanced cultures will go. Regardless whether it makes sense or not.
Is this a fact or an opinion disguised as fact? This view of African and Asian men seems outdated and backwards. This view was used to justify the transatlantic slave trade and European rule in Africa and Asia.
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Old 04-04-2013, 02:07 PM
 
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Another practice that needs to end is called Trokosi. Trokosi is practiced is some parts of west Africa. It's where young girls are made to go into ritual servitude to a priest because of some misdeed of an relative.

CHRAJ is keen to stop trokosi - Ms Lamptey - ModernGhana.com
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Old 04-04-2013, 02:22 PM
 
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Is this a fact or an opinion disguised as fact? This view of African and Asian men seems outdated and backwards. This view was used to justify the transatlantic slave trade and European rule in Africa and Asia.
I think anyone who is objective and not trying to protect Africans from justified criticism, will come to a similar conclusion...
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Old 04-04-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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I think anyone who is objective and not trying to protect Africans from justified criticism, will come to a similar conclusion...
Not justifying anything. Africans are paying a devastating price for their own involvement in the transatlantic slave trade, although for some strange reason, Europeans have yet to pay any price at all for their involvement. I do think in time they will get a visit from Karma. Men all over the world, even those out West, are doing things in the present day that could be considered backwards in regard to their treatment of women.
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Old 04-04-2013, 03:19 PM
 
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I don't believe in Karma at all. Just think of the Germans, they should be down for centuries after what they did, but instead they are one of the most successful countries again...
Nor do I think that Africans are paying for their involvement in slave trade or whatever. They have been and will continue to be punished for their incapacity to withstand and compete with the West and these days the Chinese. It's evolution in action, cold, merciless and without any goal or morals.
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Old 04-05-2013, 10:37 PM
 
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In other words, people with money and power ("advanced cultures") will continue to force their culture on others, exactly as they have been doing since Columbus discovered America, with the enforceable presumption of their own superiority.
I would think and hope it is more a matter of becoming more educated and tolerate and not as accepting of superstition and customs that hurt a particular segment of the population. By that, I mean, the mutilation of young girls so that they cannot enjoy the sex act, if they are so inclined. That has been taken from them by the men and is only enjoyed by the men. Not so humane. Circumcism of boys may not be ideal but it doesn't totally take away their ability to feel.

I do not think I will change my mind about this. Just because something may be a custom or whatever doesn't mean that it is right. Slavery is a custom in Mali and Niger but does that mean it is right to enslave another person ?
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Old 04-05-2013, 10:41 PM
 
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Another practice that needs to end is called Trokosi. Trokosi is practiced is some parts of west Africa. It's where young girls are made to go into ritual servitude to a priest because of some misdeed of an relative.

CHRAJ is keen to stop trokosi - Ms Lamptey - ModernGhana.com
Wow. That is all I can say.

There is a lot to be desired in the American and European way of life but, I am glad we do not have these kinds of things happening in western culture anymore, if they ever did.
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:30 PM
 
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I first heard of Trokosi on 60 minutes(CBS) some years back. I think much of these things will fade as more people become better educated and middle class. FGM for example seems to be based on some erroneous beliefs about women.
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Old 04-06-2013, 07:59 AM
 
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I would think and hope it is more a matter of becoming more educated and tolerate and not as accepting of superstition and customs that hurt a particular segment of the population. By that, I mean, the mutilation of young girls so that they cannot enjoy the sex act, if they are so inclined. That has been taken from them by the men and is only enjoyed by the men. Not so humane. Circumcism of boys may not be ideal but it doesn't totally take away their ability to feel.

I do not think I will change my mind about this. Just because something may be a custom or whatever doesn't mean that it is right. Slavery is a custom in Mali and Niger but does that mean it is right to enslave another person ?
So yours is a single-issue concern, and the only way in which you feel that African women are too dominated as a whole is the residual practice of genital mutilation in a few (and declining number of) localities? And you will stop feeling that African women are too dominated only when the last remaining circumcision knife is buried forever?

If I'm not mistaken, genital mutilation of African girls is typically carried out behind closed doors by the elder women of the household or community, with no men present. At least until the 1970's, by the way, female circumcision was still commonly practiced even among the educated and affluent in metropolitan Cairo, which I don't consider to be truly African in the sense of this discussion.

Following your direction here, it is easy to find porn sites on the internet what portray women "enjoying the sex act" even with anal penetration, without any contact with parts that may or may not have been surgically mutilated where women are "too dominated". However, I cannot vouch for this through any personal experience or observation.

Incidentally, since the pornography industry is predominantly centered outside Africa, might this not suggest that African women are not so dominated, comparatively speaking, as this thread might seem to imply? It could be the very "superstition and customs" of Africa that protect women from exploitation and the harmful effects of an "educated and tolerant" society.

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