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Old 03-17-2013, 10:55 PM
 
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I saw this woman Seodi White on cnn international's 'Africa Voices' show. She's from Malawi and she works to reform attitudes towards women in her country. She talks about how child brides need to be stopped because it's keeping too many girls from being educated and this ends up hurting the progress of Malawi. How common are her concerns found in other Africa countries?

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Old 03-18-2013, 01:32 PM
 
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Here's the full interview.

I think she makes some good points about how keeping the education of girls as a lower priority in certain cultures causes poverty to be too high in these countries as a whole.



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Old 03-19-2013, 11:07 AM
 
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How did this view that widows are impure develope? I've heard that widows in parts of Nigeria are discriminated against because they are viewed as being impure.
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Old 03-30-2013, 08:31 PM
 
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Which countries in Africa practice the genital mutilation of young girls ? That is the most horrible thing I have ever heard of and I hope it is a practice that soon will be outlawed world wide. That bespeaks a lack of respect for females in general.
I can hardly think of those poor girl children without crying.

But, I guess it is no different than the treatment of females in some of the middle eastern countries.

Kudos to Ms. White for voicing her concerns and I hope she is successful in bringing about change in Africa for females.
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Old 03-31-2013, 01:54 PM
 
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I hope it is a practice that soon will be outlawed world wide. . . .
But, I guess it is no different than the treatment of females in some of the middle eastern countries.

First of all, nothing will ever be outlawed worldwide, not should it be. There is no way to enforce a worldwide law, and no authority empowered to do it, which is a good thing.

Second, what people regard as tolerable is a product of their social culture. There are a lot of people in the world who would like to see a ban on alcohol and pornography and personal handguns, which Americans seem to be very comfortable with. Watch the commercials on the Lifetime cable network, and you will see that women in the USA are exploited a great deal more than in any middle eastern country. Look at uniform crime statistics, and you will see that women in the USA are much, much more likely to be victims of both criminal and civil abuse than in any middle eastern country. Ask any American single mom on welfare or with a dead-end make-work job if she wouldn't rather have her security assured by a nuclear family.

I won't argue with you on the issue of genital mutilation (which only happens to boys in the USA), but African women might like the social order that they have grown up accustomed to.

Just as an aside, I recall reading an article about Somali refugees in the USA, in which a young woman was interviewed. She had spent the first decade of her life dodging a civil war, and the next 5 years living in a refugee tent- camp in Sudan. Finally emigrating to the USA, where she said "High school is the cruelest place I've ever been".

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Old 03-31-2013, 08:58 PM
 
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Watch the commercials on the Lifetime cable network, and you will see that women in the USA are exploited a great deal more than in any middle eastern country.
Women in the U.S have ALOT more freedom and legal protections compared to women in the various middle eastern countries.

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I won't argue with you on the issue of genital mutilation (which only happens to boys in the USA), but African women might like the social order that they have grown up accustomed to.
Not all African women accept this social order.


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Old 03-31-2013, 10:15 PM
 
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Women in the U.S have ALOT more freedom and legal protections compared to women in the various middle eastern countries.
I will not disagree, but that by itself does not make them more contented with their lives. You are projecting your own cultural values onto other people and suggesting that they cannot be happy unless they have embraced your lifestyle. Judging by the heavy use of Xanax and Prozac among America's women (about 25% under Rx, and another 25% the victims of psychotic men), I'm not sure the "freedom" is having the desired effect.

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Not all African women accept this social order.
Not all American women are overjoyed with single motherhood and minimum wage work, either, and neighbors who are strangers, and families living several states away, and gripped with too much fear to walk in the streets or make eye contact with people, and crushing debt that can never be resolved, and neurotic about their cosmetic appearance, and obese and dying a slow death from unaffordable and untreated basic health care. Obesity now kills more people in the world than hunger, and is rampantly epidemic in countries where people have "freedom and legal protection" to eat themselves to death with processed junk food, urged on by the exploiting media.

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Old 04-01-2013, 06:16 AM
 
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Which countries in Africa practice the genital mutilation of young girls ? That is the most horrible thing I have ever heard of and I hope it is a practice that soon will be outlawed world wide. That bespeaks a lack of respect for females in general.
I can hardly think of those poor girl children without crying.

But, I guess it is no different than the treatment of females in some of the middle eastern countries.

Kudos to Ms. White for voicing her concerns and I hope she is successful in bringing about change in Africa for females.
Annie I am not saying that I disagree with you but your thinking is very ethnocentric and there are different types and levels of FMG. Again I am not saying that I agree with it but you were not raised in a place that practices FMG so you think it is wrong but you are not in their shoes.

I spent 4 months in Indonesia and I was staying on an island called Alor in Indonesia and once a year there is a circumcision ceremony for the boys and the girls. However, the boys were circumcised but the ceremony for the girls was just that, a ceremony and the circumcision was not actually performed on the girls.

More and more countries are standing up against it but there are deep traditional roots tied to the practice. Just like here in the states people will not stop circumcising their children. My brother-in-law insisted that his boys look like him and I wish my sister would have fought harder against the circumcision.

Wangari Maathai helped Kenya abolish FMG. Yes it is still practiced in some villiages but there are laws against it because of her and the number of people performing FMG has been dramatically reduced. I spent two months in Kenya and it was a hot topic while I was there and Wangari Maathai won the Nobel Peace Prize during my time in Kenya. But the practice of FMG was outlawed in Sept 2011 which was the same month she died. IN fact it was made illegal just days after her death.

But back to the topic at hand. I lived in a village in Malawi. At the time Malawi was the 4th poorest country and I felt it was quite progressive for being so poor. I was only partially listening to the video while I was doing other things. It seemed to me there were just as many girls and boys in school. And in East Africa as the woman on the video stated they pay for secondary school. So many families cannot afford to send all their children so they usually choose the oldest boy.

What I appreciated with Malawi that I didn't see in other countries in Africa was their push to eliminate AIDS. There were very graphic bill boards all over the country and everywhere you went there were free condoms. They were passed out in the market and all bars had baskets of them but if you needed to buy them I think in the store they were one cent each. I didn't see any other country in AFrica with such a strong campaign against AIDS.

It would be interesting to see in 10, 20, 30 years what happens to the AIDS rate in Malawi. And will all these condoms slow the birth rate over time?
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:29 AM
 
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In terms of mentality, emancipation etc., most parts of Africa are where the West was a century or more ago.
Many African men are particularly backwards. Superstition is still widespread, which leads to odd views and customs... In Asia it is not much better in some respect.

I do think that sooner or later humans will all go similar ways and if they don't they will be considered backwards. In times of global exchange, media, etc. there is a kind of global evolution, that was missing as long as people were more or less isolated. Thus I do think that the most advanced cultures will largely determine the direction which less advanced cultures will go. Regardless whether it makes sense or not.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:39 AM
 
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In terms of mentality, emancipation etc., most parts of Africa are where the West was a century or more ago.
Many African men are particularly backwards. Superstition is still widespread, which leads to odd views and customs... In Asia it is not much better in some respect.

I do think that sooner or later humans will all go similar ways and if they don't they will be considered backwards. In times of global exchange, media, etc. there is a kind of global evolution, that was missing as long as people were more or less isolated. Thus I do think that the most advanced cultures will largely determine the direction which less advanced cultures will go. Regardless whether it makes sense or not.
In other words, people with money and power ("advanced cultures") will continue to force their culture on others, exactly as they have been doing since Columbus discovered America, with the enforceable presumption of their own superiority.
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