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Old 03-29-2014, 04:44 PM
 
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In that case,i would say all religions are frauds and are leading the world to destruction.
Deflect much ? Your original repost to me had nothing to do with religions, only mohamedanism, ergo Mohammad's followers has on his fraudulent and demonic belief. Case In point slavery will existing on nations like Mali is has on slave minded Mohammed.
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Old 03-29-2014, 04:47 PM
 
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Deflect much ? Your original repost to me had nothing to do with religions, only mohamedanism, ergo Mohammad's followers has on his fraudulent and demonic belief. Case In point slavery will existing on nations like Mali is has on slave minded Mohammed.
Did christianity prevent slavery ?

Actually it made the norm and made an industry out of it, with the help of the church
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Old 03-29-2014, 06:15 PM
 
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Did christianity prevent slavery ?

Actually it made the norm and made an industry out of it, with the help of the church
Weak deflection. This topic isn't about Christianity and if you want to discuss such a topic, create a thread instead of playing deflection games because Islam still practices slavery STILL IN 2014. Much as you've tried to change the subject away from mohammed and slavery, the Malians are following Mohammed's example of making infidels slaves like the majority of Islamic and Arab countries. I've found mohammedanism to be quite satanic to it's core.
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Old 03-29-2014, 09:08 PM
 
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As far as i know this topic is not about Islam,it's about slavery in Mali.
If you want talk about Islam open another thread
In Mali,there are muslims,christians and animist all of them practiced slavery at one point of their history.
Stupidity is not limited only to certain muslims,many christians can be stupid too
Just to educate you,Mohamed is a prophet if you don't know it and had nothing to do slavery or politics.

Muslims have not created Hitler yet ? So nobody is 100% clean !!
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Old 03-29-2014, 09:29 PM
 
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As far as i know this topic is not about Islam,it's about slavery in Mali.
If you want talk about Islam open another thread
In Mali,there are muslims,christians and animist all of them practiced slavery at one point of their history.
Stupidity is not limited only to certain muslims,many christians can be stupid too
Just to educate you,Mohamed is a prophet if you don't know it and had nothing to do slavery or politics.

Muslims have not created Hitler yet ? So nobody is 100% clean !!
A mohammedan will never educate me period because many are as stupid as the illiterate Mohammed.

I'm talking about Islam in this thread because it's pertinent to this topic unlike your attempts of trying and failing to turn this topic into something else diverting attention away from demon cult Islam. The group enslaving other groups in Mali ARE MOHAMMEDANS, ergo muslims. You don't tell me where to post, font. You can move on or deal, but I'll not be silent nor censored by the weak minded defense of death demon cult of Mohammed. clear?

Mohammed was a fraud,a murdered, psychotic,rapist, liar, butcher that caused death to those who refused to follow his distorted death cult. On top of that, he was illiterate!! When he wasn't stealing slaves he was perverting everything he touched. He was corrupt, jealous, and evil to his core. Islam is poison and by it's fruits, i know exactly what it is. Everything the Malians and any other predominate Islam country does is because all mohammedans are called to be like murdering butcher Mohammed. Funny you bring up Hitler when that genocidal maniac is admired by Mohammedans since so many Mohammedans revere Hitler for the holocaust. You are out of your skill set with me font, so don't try me.

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Old 03-29-2014, 11:03 PM
 
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Sorry,i did not ask you for your hate CV !
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Old 03-29-2014, 11:53 PM
 
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Sorry,i did not ask you for your hate CV !

Don't project nor play reverse psychology games in order to avoid my previous post. It's quite silly and manipulative of you. Telling the truth about Islam is not hated and can be backed up by following the hateful religion the Malians follow. Slavery is advocated in Islam and those innocent souls oppressed by Islam for thousands of years are living in hell. You have a problem with accepting the true evil of mohammedanism.
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Old 03-30-2014, 07:18 AM
 
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Don't project nor play reverse psychology games in order to avoid my previous post. It's quite silly and manipulative of you. Telling the truth about Islam is not hated and can be backed up by following the hateful religion the Malians follow. Slavery is advocated in Islam and those innocent souls oppressed by Islam for thousands of years are living in hell. You have a problem with accepting the true evil of mohammedanism.
As i said,i read you hate CV,i don't need know more about you !!
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Old 03-30-2014, 08:09 AM
 
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As i said,i read you hate CV,i don't need know more about you !!
Wrong again font. Hate is what Mohammed and his mohammedans spread to the world based on a lie. Hate is what the VICTIMS of Islamic slavery in Mali are experiencing. HATE is the very works of Mohammed mimicked by Malian mohammedan majority butchering, slaughtering, and enslaving all in the name of their fake god allah. Hate is lying as you are trying to do about the true nature of Islam. Again, don't try me font because while you play games with those uninformed about Islam's true evil nature, I'm not the least bit moved by your faux victim stance.
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Old 03-30-2014, 09:02 AM
 
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"Mali’s Other Crisis: Slavery Still Plagues Mali, And Insurgency Could Make It Worse
By Jacey Fortin
on January 16 2013 6:12 AM

Tuareg
Tuareg men parade on camels during the "Cure Salee" festival in Ingal, Niger. REUTERS/Luc Gnago
The conflict in the West African country of Mali erupted onto the international stage late last week, when it became the theater for a new Western offensive against Islamist insurgents.

Early in 2012 the Tuaregs, a nomadic group native to the region, began asserting control over communities in northern Mali. On their heels came several militant Islamist groups that took over the area and are now the target of a French military intervention. Mali is also suffering from an unstable government in the capital city of Bamako, which has never recovered from a military coup that unseated the former administration in March.

But for two decades before all that, Mali was a stable democracy -- one of few in a tumultuous and under-resourced region.

Or so the story went. In fact, not all citizens enjoyed equal rights in this country of 16 million. Hundreds of thousands were -- and are -- victims of modern slavery, and the recent upheaval there has thrown a wrench into international activists’ long-running efforts to put an end to the practice.

Mali: When France Ruled West Africa
A Brand New War: Western Forces Square Off Against Islamists In Africa
Force of Habit

Slavery has been a reality in West Africa for centuries. Mali formally outlawed it when it became independent from France in 1960, but the rule is toothless since slave ownership was never criminalized.

The practice of slavery long has been a cultural norm in many Malian communities. As in neighboring Mauritania, slaves and slave owners are often described in terms of “black” and “white,” since slave descendants tend to have black African roots and their masters are typically of lighter-skinned Berber ancestry. But in fact, members of both groups have varying skin tones, and ethnicities are sometimes mixed due to masters raping female slaves.

According to Temedt, a Mali-based advocacy program, about 200,000 people are currently enslaved in the country and about 600,000 more are slave descendants under some form of control even though they live separately from their masters. Temedt works with Anti-Slavery International, a London-based human rights organization, to help free victims of slavery and then assist them in the transition to independence.

“We’re mainly working with ethnic Tuaregs, who have a very strong hierarchy including nobles, warriors and slave classes,” said Anti-Slavery International’s Africa Program Coordinator Sarah Mathewson, noting that slavery exists among other Malian communities as well.

Ending slavery is more complicated than it seems, since it is not only masters who are wedded to the system. Often, slave themselves have no desire to escape their servitude.

“I think for many people in that situation, the idea of leaving or escaping wouldn’t even occur,” says Mathewson. “They’re given no sense of their own agency; they’re in a state of total submission. And masters often use religion to further indoctrinate people, saying it’s God’s will they should be enslaved.”

To change these deep-seated attitudes, it is necessary to convince both slaves and masters that they can function outside the parameters of their dependent relationship. But that case is harder to make in times of turmoil, so Mali’s recent crisis has dialed back progress for anti-slavery activists.

Nowhere to Go

The Islamist insurgency in Mali’s north has turned things upside-down for many slaves and slaveowners.

“When the trouble started early last year, we had reports that lots of masters were leaving the region, and the people who had been considered slaves came forward to our partners saying, ‘We don’t know what to do; our masters left and we have nothing.’ They’d essentially been abandoned,” says Mathewson.

“That was a very difficult time. A lot of those people have made their way to refugee camps where they’ve gotten back in contact with their masters, or they’ve just been left vulnerable because of poverty and the lack of resources in the region.”

To make matters worse, the insurgents have imposed a harsh version of Shariah, or Islamic law, across northern Mali. They mete out some brutal punishments for citizens in perceived violation of Quranic codes, including floggings, amputations and executions. And slave descendants have often been the victims of those punishments, since they are largely vulnerable and unable to retaliate.

Slavemasters, too, take advantage of turmoil -- which includes widespread displacement -- to acquire new labor as necessary.

“We had one case in September of people coming to a village of slave descendants and taking 18 children that they wanted to keep as slaves,” says Mathewson. “The children’s families were completely bereft and couldn’t do anything. The slaveowners showed up and just took them.”

Progress Pending

With the security crisis still unfolding in northern Mali, many international efforts to free slaves and help them adapt have been put on hold. French airstrikes are churning up dust in some of Mali’s most vulnerable communities, putting the focus squarely on containing Islamist militants while leaving anti-slavery initiatives in limbo.

Ibrahim Ag Idbaltanat, a slave descendant who now runs Temedt, told The Guardian that the situation has only gotten worse in recent months.

"We are under suspicion from both the government and the rebels," he said. "Old scores are being settled and anti-slavery activists who have created a lot of enemies feel the threat of violence. We challenged the state and slaveowners, so now we face threats as there are slavemasters among the rebel groups."

Temedt and Anti-Slavery International had 17 legal cases regarding slave freedom under way in northern Mali that had to be suspended indefinitely as the insurgency unfolded. Advocacy and lobbying efforts still continue, but slave descendants on the ground in Mali are struggling to adapt in these tumultuous times.

“We just know that they are absolutely the most vulnerable people in that region at the moment,” says Mathewson. “They are the ones who don’t have the means to flee, who don’t have influence over the distribution of aid, who don’t have a voice in Mali.” "

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