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Old 07-27-2013, 03:28 PM
 
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Check what?

If I love a 17 year old woman in eight states, "I have been told" that I can have feelings of love for her, but I cannot have an intimate relationship with her, with criminal penalties if I do. I feel oppressed..
What point are you trying to get across with this nonsense?

Comparing the American age of consent to African politicians calling for the beheading of their citizens is just crazy!
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Old 07-27-2013, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I hope this is not coming from an American.

The United States leads the world--and some developing nations--in social pathologies. Child abduction and child rape are near epidemic in the United States.
Here is the number, annually, in the United States of "a nonfamily abduction perpetrated by a slight acquaintance or stranger in which a child is detained overnight, transported at least 50 miles, held for ransom or abducted with the intent to keep the child permanently, or killed."

Wait for it: 115. One hundred and fifteen. For the whole year. About two a week. In the third most populous country in the world. Some epidemic!
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ds_really.html
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Here is the number, annually, in the United States of "a nonfamily abduction perpetrated by a slight acquaintance or stranger in which a child is detained overnight, transported at least 50 miles, held for ransom or abducted with the intent to keep the child permanently, or killed."

Wait for it: 115. One hundred and fifteen. For the whole year. About two a week. In the third most populous country in the world. Some epidemic!
How many children go missing every year? - Slate Magazine
I know the uncle of Alexis Patterson. FBI — ALEXIS S. PATTERSON

A small girl in my aunt's neighborhood (nice, middle class area) that would frequently play with her sisters in the alley (behind my aunts home) was out playing one day by herself. A van pulled up, some guy jumped out, snatched her up and was going to throw her in the back of the van but when she began screaming a neighbor was outside and came running. The guy dropped her, jumped in his van, and sped off.

That's one city. Not to mention I personally have seen 2 or 3 fliers hung up of missing kids in Milwaukee that family members are looking for. (Yeah, maybe they ran away, or maybe they didn't.)

This is not Cleveland with 3 missing girls or L.A. or NYC or Chicago or any other big city I know damn well has kids being abducted.
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Old 07-28-2013, 10:20 PM
 
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Let me restate what you just said, and just change a few words.

This is hilarious. You are equating acceptance of Blacks as a by-product of "education." I am absolutely certain that highly educated Americans( in the early 20th century) viewed Blacks in the same way that illiterate Americans viewed them.

Are you sure you are aligning yourself on the side you really want to be on?
Funny because you basically proved my point by throwing out a totally non-analogous example. White illiterates and highly educated white Americans were both virulently racist in the early 20th century. And yes I'm absolutely fine with aligning myself with Africans adhering to their own sense of right and wrong rather than yours.

However I'm beyond tired of homosexuality being equated with race. While being homosexual is not a choice homosexual behavior is and frankly no one need ever know about it. Skin color is not a choice nor has it ever been and there is no way it can be hidden. If you don't like African laws your intelligent choice is to simply stay out of Africa.
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Old 07-29-2013, 05:37 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Children who have reached puberty do fine as caretakers of their own children, as long as the extended family remains intact and grandparents, aunts and uncles are present to assist. Even in the USA, up until the last century, women were very often married by the age of 16, many of them even less. Child care and housekeeping do not really require a great deal of emotional maturity, and if it did, the USA would be in deep doodoo even with women waiting until they are 25 to have children. Women in America get married at 20, and by 25 they are single moms with par-time jobs to pay for childcare and get foodstamps and are filing for bankruptcy and watch Judge Judy on 55-inch screens and eating Xanax like candy. Where is the "fully developed mentally", even in their 20s? But they are happy, right?
There's a very big difference between marrying at the age of 16 and marrying at the age of 9. It does take emotional maturity to raise a child, at least if you want to raise it properly. But it doesn't matter what I say, your only answer will be to bash the US. What does the US have to do with anything? Why are we even talking about it? I'm not even American.

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"Against their will" is a cultural construct, and generally, everyone regards their own cultural values as the norm (present company included, obviously), and trying to force them out of those cultural mores is what goes against their will. What happens in America to a girl who "against her will" is forced to play with dolls and wear makeup and frilly little dresses and dot her I's with little hearts? They grow up thinking that is perfectly fine behavior and embrace it as "normal" girlhood..
"Against their will" is a cultural construct? What does that even mean? Children and women in those parts of the world have no will of their own, is that what you're saying? Not everyone in the Middle East agrees with these cultural norms, obviously.

I just don't even know what to say to you. I'm talking about little girls being forced to marry against their will to a man they've probably never met, having their vaginas stitched up and their clitoris cut off, essentially being raped on their wedding night and many nights after that, sometimes dying from giving birth or sustaining other serious injuries like obstretic fistula (hole between rectum and vagina or blatter and vagina), and you equate this to American girls being "forced" to play with dolls, wear make-up and dresses, and dot her i's with little hearts?

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First you say 11-year old girls are "not fully developed mentally", and then you want us to listen to one who is objecting to the cultural values of her society as though she is revealing some great wisdom of the ages on us. How long would it take in New Jersey to find an 11-year old girl who wants to run away from home, abused by her mother's boyfriend, pointing to anecdotes about an aunt whose life was destroyed by a sociopathic husband and who became suicidal? She wants to run away from home in a civilized country that respects girls and women,getting off a Greyhound bus in LA to become a drug addicted porn star whose 20 year old body will be found in a dumpster..
Yes, because that example is sooo typical of what happens to 11-year-old girls in the US The difference is that in her case, no Americans will be rushing to defend her mother or her mother's boyfriend, or her aunt and her husband, and saying the girl should just stop complaining and accept that this is just the "cultural norm" in her country (which is absurd, btw).

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Consider your source: "Memri aims to portray the Arab and Muslim world in a negative light, through the production and dissemination of inaccurate translations and through selectivity in choosing extreme views to publicize." Criticism of MEMI is widespread, and no legitimate news media takes anything from MEMRI seriously. How do you suppose they found this beautiful wide-eyed educated and highly articulate girl with clean clothes and hair, filmed in an expensive car in an unknown place (maybe London?) , to say exactly what the producers wanted her to say? Hmmm -- no answers to the above questions coming from MEMRI. Just because a video goes viral does not by itself make it genuine.
What makes you think Memri is the one who published this in the first place? I've found many, many different sources who published Nada's video, I just picked the Memri version because it was the first to come up on YouTube. As far as I know, her video was first shown in the local media in Yemen before it went viral.

Oh right, because there are no girls with clean clothes and hair and no cars in Yemen What on earth makes you think she's in London? You don't even see anything of her surroundings, you barely even see the car itself so you can't possibly know how expensive it is. But even if you believe this is all just one big conspiracy to make the ME look bad, Nada's story doesn't stand on its own. There are many, many girls who commit suicide or seriously injure themselves to get out of their arranged marriage. Then again, you probably dismiss this all as Western propaganda and just continue bashing the US again

It's clear that we're on completely different wavelengths and I can't have a reasonable discussion with you. Anyone who defends forced child marriages, child rape and 9-year-olds giving birth, has serious mental issues in my opinion. Therefore, if your response will only consist of defending these barbaric practices and randomly bashing the US, I will not waste my time replying to you.
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Old 07-29-2013, 05:45 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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However I'm beyond tired of homosexuality being equated with race. While being homosexual is not a choice homosexual behavior is and frankly no one need ever know about it. Skin color is not a choice nor has it ever been and there is no way it can be hidden. If you don't like African laws your intelligent choice is to simply stay out of Africa.
If homosexuality is not a choice then neither is homosexual behaviour. You cannot ask people to deny an essential part of their own identity, one of their strongest instincts. You cannot force people to marry someone they don't love and to have sex with someone they're not in the least attracted to. It's easy for us to say that gays should just "get over it" but imagine if the shoe was on the other foot. Imagine if the law suddenly said that heterosexual relationships would be outlawed (and anyone who engages in it will be severely persecuted) and we must all marry and have sex with someone of the same gender, whom we're not attracted to. Do you really think that would be a minor sacrifice? As for the last part, what about people who are already in Africa and have no way to leave?
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Old 07-29-2013, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Toledo
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If homosexuality is not a choice then neither is homosexual behaviour. You cannot ask people to deny an essential part of their own identity, one of their strongest instincts. You cannot force people to marry someone they don't love and to have sex with someone they're not in the least attracted to. It's easy for us to say that gays should just "get over it" but imagine if the shoe was on the other foot. Imagine if the law suddenly said that heterosexual relationships would be outlawed (and anyone who engages in it will be severely persecuted) and we must all marry and have sex with someone of the same gender, whom we're not attracted to. Do you really think that would be a minor sacrifice? As for the last part, what about people who are already in Africa and have no way to leave?
Yes "homosexual behavior" is a choice, but so is "heterosexual behavior". Sex and intimate relationships are not like breathing. Although it's not ideal, many people can and do live without both.
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:30 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Yes "homosexual behavior" is a choice, but so is "heterosexual behavior". Sex and intimate relationships are not like breathing. Although it's not ideal, many people can and do live without both.
They're not far from it. Very few people can live their whole lives without ever having sex or an intimate relationship. And why deny yourself this when no one is being harmed? When two consensual adults are in a relationship based on equality, what is the problem? No one is forcing YOU to be in such a relationship so if this conflicts with your personal morality, don't do it. But don't force others to live according to your (religion-based) morals.
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:33 AM
 
Location: southern california
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lack of white guilt.
when u get used to an abundance of a product when u go somewhere else and there are shortages u think there is something wrong with them.
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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They're not far from it. Very few people can live their whole lives without ever having sex or an intimate relationship. And why deny yourself this when no one is being harmed? When two consensual adults are in a relationship based on equality, what is the problem?
They usually tend to be nuns or Catholic priest.
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