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Old 07-12-2013, 10:30 AM
 
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You're oversimplifying the Afrocentric movement in hip hop during the late 80's/early 90's

The praise given to Africa wasn't exclusive to Egypt. There are countless records bigging up the empires of Mali, Ghana, and other areas.

The whole purpose behind it was to counter the Euro-American tendency to ignorantly believe that people of color had no history of civilization or achievement prior to being brought to America.
I never said that they only focused on Egypt. I was specificlly talking on the "pyramids to projects" phrase which was people connecting black-Americans ancestors to those who built the pyramids in Egypt which isn't accurate history.
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:16 PM
 
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I never said that they only focused on Egypt. I was specificlly talking on the "pyramids to projects" phrase which was people connecting black-Americans ancestors to those who built the pyramids in Egypt which isn't accurate history.
why isn't it? prove it? blacks built america,
so why didn't we build egypt too? don't all
the kings and queens of egypt look like blacks
you see in america and elsewhere?


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It isn't true,that's all.
Just like all those whites in Virginia who claim to be decendents of Pocahontas.
A myth. I have heard some black nationalist say that too.
Most blacks don't have any East African heritage.

you're lying to yourself.
black is black in africa; north, south, east and west.
there might be different tribes and families but we
all descended from the upper nile valley.
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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It isn't true,that's all.
Just like all those whites in Virginia who claim to be decendents of Pocahontas.
A myth. I have heard some black nationalist say that too.
Most blacks don't have any East African heritage.
The White and Black people who claim descent from Pochohantas is not a myth. She had a son who went on to marry a white woman and they had several kids. Many so called First Families of Virginia can claim descent through them so many prominent Whites in fact that Virginia had to create a section of law just for them left they be classified as Indian due to their silly one drop laws.

I've always viewed Pochohantas as a contemptible traitor.
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:52 PM
 
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why isn't it? prove it? blacks built america,
so why didn't we build egypt too? don't all
the kings and queens of egypt look like blacks
you see in america and elsewhere?
I'm not talking about whether or not the Egyptians were black. I'm talking specificly about the African ancestors of black-Americans who were west Africans and not Egyptians.
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:55 PM
 
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I'm not talking about whether or not the Egyptians were black. I'm talking specificly about the African ancestors of black-Americans who were west Africans and not Egyptians.
you got it all twisted, son. black americans came
from all parts of africa, not just west africa; and
anyway, blacks in west africa are related to black
africans all over the continent of africa. we started
in the east and migrated west, north and south,
then even bothered to venture to other continents
after that, and that's why there are so many races
now. common sense should tell you this already,
but you could read more history and find out the
same.

black americans are the same blacks as all blacks
in the western hemisphere too, while you're at it.
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Old 07-12-2013, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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^ you got it all twisted, son. black americans came
from all parts of africa, not just west africa; and
anyway, blacks in west africa are related to black
africans all over the continent of africa.
Almost all Black Americans are descendants from West and parts of Central Africa. Very few, if any Egyptians were captured and shipped during the Atlantic Slave trade.
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Old 07-12-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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you got it all twisted, son. black americans came
from all parts of africa, not just west africa; and
anyway, blacks in west africa are related to black
africans all over the continent of africa. we started
in the east and migrated west, north and south,
then even bothered to venture to other continents
after that, and that's why there are so many races
now. common sense should tell you this already,
but you could read more history and find out the
same.

black americans are the same blacks as all blacks
in the western hemisphere too, while you're at it.
You do realize that the distance from that part of Egypt to west Africa is greater than that from Maine to Southern California right? Therefore to ship Egyptians to the American colonies would not have been very feasible considering that they either a), would have to trek across the burning desert with a slave cargo and enough supplies to keep at least some of the slaves as well as themselves alive or b). pretty much double the distance over the sea which may have saved them from the desert but still has that nagging logistical problem of keeping everyone alive twice as long.

Also, for you to say that Africans are basically the same continent wide, not only flies in the face of science but contradicts something else you said; Africa shows the greatest diversity of anyplace on earth so there's no way all blacks in Africa can be the same people. That would suggest very little genetic diversity. Furthermore, this genetic diversity is exactly why the other races have evolved in the way we see them today. Without this genetic diversity, people the world over would be much more homogeneous.
We Black Americans WERE NOT the same people who built the pyramids, live it, learn it!
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Old 07-12-2013, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Sin City
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You do realize that the distance from that part of Egypt to west Africa is greater than that from Maine to Southern California right? Therefore to ship Egyptians to the American colonies would not have been very feasible considering that they either a), would have to trek across the burning desert with a slave cargo and enough supplies to keep at least some of the slaves as well as themselves alive or b). pretty much double the distance over the sea which may have saved them from the desert but still has that nagging logistical problem of keeping everyone alive twice as long.

Also, for you to say that Africans are basically the same continent wide, not only flies in the face of science but contradicts something else you said; Africa shows the greatest diversity of anyplace on earth so there's no way all blacks in Africa can be the same people. That would suggest very little genetic diversity. Furthermore, this genetic diversity is exactly why the other races have evolved in the way we see them today. Without this genetic diversity, people the world over would be much more homogeneous.
We Black Americans WERE NOT the same people who built the pyramids, live it, learn it!
No but black Africans did build the pyramids and this cannot be disputed.

Look, would it be more "historically accurate" if black American rappers emphasized that they descended from Timbuktu, Sahel, Ghana, and the other great kingdoms of West and Central Africa? Yes.

Does a rapper emphasizing that black Americans descended from the same people that built the pyramids make it untrue? Yes if you approach it from a regional/tribal standpoint but no if you approach it from a purely racial standpoint.

Most of those conscious rappers knew that historically AA's didn't originate from East Africa but they also knew that the people who built the pyramids looked like them and so I believe this point was emphasized to counter the belief that black history began with slavery. Public school history books tell you that blacks were brought here as slaves but they never mention who we were in Africa prior to becoming slaves.

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Old 07-12-2013, 07:19 PM
 
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I never implied that they are not. I said that there are a very large number of tribes and families in Africa that are entitled to carry the titles of royalty, and such people are often encountered. It is not like Europe, where an entire country has only one family entitled to be called Royal. Therefore, there is a fairly large number of African Americans who in fact are descended from royalty. However, it is unlikely that any know who they are, thus the blanket statement that "We are descended from Kings and Queens -- many of us, that is, but we can no longer determine who is and who isn't."

Due to genealogical arithmetic, though, it is quite possible that nearly all African Americans had at least one royal ancestor, in the same sense that the Italians say they all have at least one Pope in their family tree. DNA testing among African Americans has the potential to tell us a great deal, but only when there is a large enough base of DNA-tested Africans of known royalty today, with whom to compare the DNA samples. Not many Africans, even royal ones, can pop for the $250 to have their DNA tested.

I have no way of validating the legitimacy of any person's claim to royalty, but human nature teaches me that if a claim is sufficiently credible and widespread, there will be plenty of pretenders. If a white American tells you that his ancestors came over on the Mayflower, how much credence do you give that? Do you assume it to be a well-researched and verifiable fact?
Africans on the continent do not pay $250 or anything, for that matter, to have their mouths swabbed. Hence, the large database that already exits.

Regarding whites, if a relative came over on the Mayflower there are actual written records and accordingly written verification of offspring to easily verify white ancestry. Unfortunately, for black americans we know that the written record was not recorded in the same manner.
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Old 07-12-2013, 07:26 PM
 
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No but black Africans did build the pyramids and this cannot be disputed.

Look, would it be more "historically accurate" if black American rappers emphasized that they descended from Timbuktu, Sahel, Ghana, and the other great kingdoms of West and Central Africa? Yes.

Does a rapper emphasizing that black Americans descended from the same people that built the pyramids make it untrue? Yes if you approach it from a regional/tribal standpoint but no if you approach it from a purely racial standpoint.

Most of those conscious rappers knew that historically AA's didn't originate from East Africa but they also knew that the people who built the pyramids looked like them and so I believe this point was emphasized to counter the belief that black history began with slavery. Public school history books tell you that blacks were brought here as slaves but they never mention who we were in Africa prior to becoming slaves.

History books are not needed. Much can be learned from present day.
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