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Old 08-23-2013, 05:36 PM
 
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There is a reason human biodiversity isn't popular or mainstream. It forces people to acknowledge some uncomfortable realities. That doesn't make them untrue. I'm Black and I don't like that the average IQ of Blacks is low but I've made peace with it.

It's not complicated. The complication comes when folks contort themselves into knots to argue it is not true.
"...acknowledge some uncomfortable realities."

Dude, the only uncomfortable reality is that people like you exist in the 21st century; no disrespect.

You actually believe a MAN-MADE test created by white supremacists in a time when it was legal to put up a sign that said "We dont hire blacks."

And dont give me that "Africa is poor because of low IQ." Africa is poor because of capitalism; capitalism is competition, and in competition you have winners and losers, i.e. people with good jobs and people with bad jobs. The good jobs are concentrated in Canada, The US, and Western Europe. The bad jobs are everywhere else. Capitalism aint got nothing to do with with your Santa Claus test.
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Old 08-23-2013, 05:45 PM
 
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You actually believe a MAN-MADE test created by white supremacists in a time when it was legal to put up a sign that said "We dont hire blacks."
No, the MAN-MADE test created by white supremeacists was intended to put up signs that said "We hire Asians only".

But you are right about Capitalism being a cabal that concentrates the wealth and opportunity in the hands of those who already have it. And the racial imbalance of IQ is beginning to rear its ugly head, as we see who is taking wealth away from the European elite.
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:22 PM
 
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No, the MAN-MADE test created by white supremeacists was intended to put up signs that said "We hire Asians only".

But you are right about Capitalism being a cabal that concentrates the wealth and opportunity in the hands of those who already have it. And the racial imbalance of IQ is beginning to rear its ugly head, as we see who is taking wealth away from the European elite.
The media is always talking about how "China is on the rise!" No, multinatioanl corporations are on the rise. There are no more black people, no white people, no Indians, no Chinese, no Arabs, no Latinos, just rich people and poor people. China is nothing but a source of cheap labor; a way for corporations to keep more money for themselves instead of giving benefits and high wages.

Multinationals do not have any national allegiances. Walmart's main interest is Walmart. Do you really think it matters to them if China economically dominates the US? Either way they are still in business.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:32 AM
 
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Africa is poor because of capitalism
How is Africa poor because of capitalism? Which African countries actually practice capitalism? Most African countries have had heavy state intervention in their economies since gaining independence.

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Old 08-25-2013, 07:44 AM
 
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How is Africa poor because of capitalism? Which African countries actually practice capitalism? Most African countries have had heavy state intervention in their economies since gaining independence.
Are you saying that the American government and military boycotting nations, obstructing world trade, and actually bombing the bejesus out of country after country is not a form of "heavy state intervention in their economies"? Are you saying that bailing out private banks and corporations is not a form of heavy state intervention in our own economy?

If a private health insurer in the US went insolvent, the government would bail them out in a minute, with" heavy state intervention". But if Medicare has bad month, the government just stands back and says "See, we told you it wouldn't work" and lets it sink like a rock.

The worst African leaders were all driven Capitalists, Mobutu, Amin, all of them. And the American supported or tolerated them exactly because they were a bulwark against Socialism.

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Old 08-25-2013, 08:24 AM
 
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How is Africa poor because of capitalism? Which African countries actually practice capitalism? Most African countries have had heavy state intervention in their economies since gaining independence.
Im talking about capitalism as a system, not as a process. The system creates different economic classes (rich, middle class, poor, etc.).

The world is now globalized, meaning economies are interrelated; and what happens in one foreign country aftects another.

I am saying that a disproportionate amount of the wealth of Africa ends up in other regions of the world, mainly In Europe and North America. Much of it does not stay in Africa.

Im not saying capitalism is bad for Africa. Im saying the sysem creates inequalities. Its just that at this time in history Africa is on the losing side.

But what do I know; people like Edwarda would say because I am African my IQ is low, and thus i dont have the intellectual ability to really speak on this subject.
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Old 08-25-2013, 08:28 AM
 
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What happened in post colonial Africa that caused the continent to end up with so many corrupt governments?
Same thing as in most of the World in post-colonial time.
They might not be a colony anymore, but there's still powerful people that don't want to lose their power in that country
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Old 08-25-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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There is a reason human biodiversity isn't popular or mainstream. It forces people to acknowledge some uncomfortable realities. That doesn't make them untrue. I'm Black and I don't like that the average IQ of Blacks is low but I've made peace with it.

It's not complicated. The complication comes when folks contort themselves into knots to argue it is not true.
I see yet another thread hijacked by this pseudoscientific nonsense.

The issue is not that some groups currently have differing IQs, that is easy to determine by analyzing IQ test scores. The issue is understanding the real reason for this. The reasons are nuances of culture and parenting. Particularly early childhood parenting. The history of IQ scores among groups is not consistent with your "biodiversity" rationale. It is important to understand the real reasons why things are the way they are instead of giving in to lazy, poorly considered fantasies.


Regarding the actual topic of this thread, the history of mankind is one in which poor, corrupt, oppresive leadership has been the norm. In fact europe always had overwhelmingly bad leaders until very recently in its history. The reason for that recent change was the enlightenment and democracy replacing monarchy and dictatorship in most nations, especially after the world wars.

Africa was backward and had no democratic nor progressive philosophical tradition. Their people and leaders tended to possess traditionalist attitudes about power, leadership and society, as a result africas leaders in the early post colonial era more closely resembled europes leaders of centuries past than the europe of today. I think that with rising literacy rates, and a younger generation of leaders with modern "westernized" attitudes and educations, we will see some of the old authoritarian tendencies to fall away in many countries.
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Old 08-25-2013, 11:01 AM
 
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I am saying that a disproportionate amount of the wealth of Africa ends up in other regions of the world, mainly In Europe and North America. Much of it does not stay in Africa.
But much of that can be blamed on corrupt governments stealing from their countries. There is a role that multinational corporations play in this but these multinationals seem to be taking advantage of the corruption and lack of transparency that already exist with these African governments.



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The illicit flow of such huge amount of money is not the work of African leaders and their associates alone but also that of multinational corporations from Europe, America and Asia doing business in Africa.

But the corporations and foreign politicians and business executives are not the only ones in the game. The governments in Africa have been doing their best to loot their countries' coffers with impunity...

Corruption in Africa: Where Does the Buck Stop? - ModernGhana.com
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Old 08-25-2013, 11:09 AM
 
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Comments about "the Africans" or "the Arabs" or "the Orientals" or "the (_fill in the blank_) show a complete lack of understanding of the word PEOPLE. To answer any of these questions about 'PEOPLE', one only needs to look at oneself for the answer. So, why does Africa have bad leaders? If you were in the position to exploit your power ... would you remain a "good leader"? Since this is a rhetorical question, save your lies for yourself.

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