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Old 08-27-2013, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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The division were already there in the form of TRIBES. Don't blame it on colonials or missionary's It will never stop until they give up the tribes..............It is consistent through History. Areas separated by different tribes never succeed until they become united....
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Old 08-28-2013, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Fort Collins, USA
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The division were already there in the form of TRIBES. Don't blame it on colonials or missionary's It will never stop until they give up the tribes..............It is consistent through History. Areas separated by different tribes never succeed until they become united....
How is a tribe different from an ethnic group? In Europe, the Spanish tribe has their own country, the French tribe has their own country, the Swedish tribe has their own country, etc. How do you think these groups would fare if somebody made a country out of western Spain and Portugal, another country out of eastern Spain and western France, a third country out eastern France and northern Italy, etc.? You can certainly have successful countries with mixtures of different ethnic groups but when it's imposed arbitrarily by an outside force, the unifying national principles are naturally weak.

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Old 08-28-2013, 11:35 AM
 
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You can certainly have successful countries with mixtures of different ethnic groups but when it's imposed arbitrarily by an outside force, the unifying national principles are naturally weak.
I'd argue that the tribalism you find in Africa was made worse by post colonial leaders implementing state socialism on their countries. By making the state so important that's where all the power and wealth was in the country. So you had different tribes wanting their people in government so that they could redistribute the wealth to their tribe. I hear that much of Africa's tribalism is over who can get most of the "national cake".

A more market oriented economy would have created a different climate. The state wouldn't have been the main focuse. Interacting with various tribes on a business level would have been the main focus instead in a market economy.
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Old 08-28-2013, 11:46 AM
 
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Market reform's role in reducing tribalism:


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In some countries, appointments to the boards of government-owned companies often raised political and ethnic tensions as there often was a need for ethnic balancing. Inefficiency and corruption often resulted as the fallout of this balancing act. Privatization is removing governments from this arena and where they do get into arena, it is to play the role of arbitrator, not distributor of rents to ethnic elites. In many countries, this is resulting in significant reductions in ethnic tensions...

The African Executive | Africa Reaping Dividends from Privatization
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Old 08-31-2013, 04:05 PM
 
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I don't know anything about African politics, but I will venture to say that corruption is so wide spread because there are no checks and balances in place. some African leaders turn into thugs with the military to do their bidding and keep the people in line...no checks and balances to prevent such corruptions. any who object are either locked up, dead or on the run.
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Old 08-31-2013, 04:57 PM
 
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Under developed legal and judicial systems are still a problem across the continent. This makes it harder to punish and deter corruption. I guess this is related to what you're saying.
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Old 08-31-2013, 05:01 PM
 
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It so funny watching all the Africans blame everyone else for Africa's problems. I think they need to look at themselves in the mirror and then they might find the answer to their problems!
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Old 08-31-2013, 10:08 PM
 
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Just like America, China, or any other place. People crave power, particular political, then corruption sets in.
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Old 09-01-2013, 09:26 AM
 
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It so funny watching all the Africans blame everyone else for Africa's problems. I think they need to look at themselves in the mirror and then they might find the answer to their problems!
Agree with this 100%. The blame game from them is obnoxious.
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Old 09-01-2013, 10:11 AM
 
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It so funny watching all the Africans blame everyone else for Africa's problems. I think they need to look at themselves in the mirror and then they might find the answer to their problems!
Most Africans do not do this.

At least those that I know. Only fringe & afro-centric elements do exactly what you are describing.

The typical African is bitingly critical of his/her society and government.
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