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Old 09-02-2013, 08:15 PM
 
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I'd also include the Mali empire as another good example of pre-colonial African governing skill.


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At its peak, the Mali Empire extended across West Africa to the Atlantic Ocean and incorporated an estimated 40 to 50 million people. The administration of such an enormous territory was formidable and relied on the establishment of a government sensitive to the diversity of the land, population and cultures and accepting of the indigenous rulers and their customs. What distinguished the empires of West Africa, particularly Mali and later Songhay, was their ability to centralize political and military power while allowing the local rulers to maintain their identities along side Islam. The imperial powers were located in active commercial centers like Djenne, Timbuktu and Gao...

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Old 09-02-2013, 09:22 PM
 
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I'd also include the Mali empire as another good example of pre-colonial African governing skill.
I found this:
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.....His entourage reportedly included thousands of soldiers, officials and attendants, 100 camels each carrying 300 pounds of gold and 500 maids and slaves to serve Mansa Musa's senior wife.
Man! THOSE people knew how to load up a camel!
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Old 09-02-2013, 10:22 PM
 
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The same reason Detroit ended up with bad leaders. The average IQ of the populace is comparatively low and thus are easily misled. It's not so difficult really.
euphemism: "Us white people are biologically and genetically superior, and the world would be better off, if we went back to dominating them, and restricting colored folk to menial labor."
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Old 09-02-2013, 10:27 PM
 
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There is a reason human biodiversity isn't popular or mainstream. It forces people to acknowledge some uncomfortable realities. That doesn't make them untrue. I'm Black and I don't like that the average IQ of Blacks is low but I've made peace with it.

It's not complicated. The complication comes when folks contort themselves into knots to argue it is not true.
Yeah, but that may still be a product of the fact that for several hundred years those of African background were only valued for their physical strength, and not at all for their brains.

Problem is your blanket statement can and has been used as justification for brutality and subjugation. The whole slavery and colonial exploitation was justified on the basis, that black people has lower IQs, and must therefore be biologically inferior and should be treated like work animals.
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Old 09-03-2013, 07:42 AM
 
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And when that powerful nation retracted and weakened, and left their former northern european colonies to themselves, those backward colonies for a time descended into tribal warfare. It took many generations before they were got their footing and became something we today would regard as "civilized". What we are seeing with africas post colonial development has historical precedent.
You know I'd suggest that tribal warfare in Africa was ALWAYS going on even before the colonials bought steamship tickets to the land. What was interesting about colonial domination was the fact that they used it to sow discord between the tribes , of course, tom further their own ambitions and exacerbate tensions. Surely nefarious but par for the course in the context of imperialism. Today I think we still see the effects of that.

And come to think of it how's Kofi and Mugabe getting along these days?? Oh I'd love to be a fly on the wall when those fellows met. One fellow a big shot in the world's community who understands democratic principles and the need for communication. The other a big shot over his people who kind of runs a tight ship with a tight leash.. hhhmmmm..what would they have talked about?????...;-)...
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Old 09-03-2013, 10:09 AM
 
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What happened in post colonial Africa that caused the continent to end up with so many corrupt governments?
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but you just need to look up the "World System" to see why. World-system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's by design... Africa is purposely being kept on the periphery. It is engineered to be forever unstable, corrupt and poor so the core ( the 1st world) can loot it's resources and keep any competition there from rising up against them. It's the same reason Latin America and the Middle East is the way it is.
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Old 09-03-2013, 10:58 AM
 
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It's by design... Africa is purposely being kept on the periphery. It is engineered to be forever unstable, corrupt and poor so the core ( the 1st world) can loot it's resources and keep any competition there from rising up against them. It's the same reason Latin America and the Middle East is the way it is.
It's generally agreed that a country with some form of an democratic government and market oriented economy will become more prosperous. Can you name an African country that has been prevented from becoming democratic and capitalist by those wanting it to stay unstable? I've never heard of the CIA destabalizing any African country that was trying to become democratic and capitalist. Yes they've played roles in destabalizing socialist one-party states in Africa and Latin America.
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:02 AM
 
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Chango...



How would you explain what's happening in Ghana?



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Mr. Cheong said the IE Singapore would help facilitate economic development in Ghana in three main areas namely; infrastructural development, support in the Oil and Gas sector and consumer goods.

He said Ghana was chosen because of its political stability and the fact that it was the fastest growing economy in the sub-region, a feat which had been acknowledged by the IMF.

allAfrica.com: Ghana: Singapore Establishes Presence in Ghana
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Old 09-03-2013, 12:56 PM
 
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The political boundaries of Africa were drawn by the West and do not make any sense with regard to traditional/cultural boundries, creating instability out the door.

You will find most African countries are essentially debt slaves to the IMF/ World Bank and resource extraction is almost inevitably done by foreign countries with plenty of shady deals and questionable transactions along the way.

And when somebody in these local governments tries to change things, they are suddenly labeled evil, corrupt and dangerous.

You might want to look into what Gaddafi was doing before bad things happened to him, or Hugo Chavez before he died.

Even Evo Morales of Bolivia was demonized by the West when he moved to limit foreign companies and keep Bolivia's meager wealth in Bolivia.

Does anyone really think Saddam Hussein's ouster was truly based on morality issues or fear of WMDs?

If you look into it, you'll see the pattern repeats itself over and over again; the leadership of a periphery country is first bribed into compliance with the "Powers that Be"... but if they step out of line they find they are now part of an "axis of evil" and/or are subject to an avalanche of accusations, criticisms and weird news. Next comes sanctions, and lasty, regime change under the war pretext of the day, always to a "puppet government" who is willing to play under "The Man's" terms.

Africa is the armpit of the world because the Powers that Be want it to be the armpit of the world.
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Old 09-03-2013, 01:08 PM
 
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Chango...



How would you explain what's happening in Ghana?
Feel good news on a website most people have never seen before?

Mainstream news about Ghana looks more like this:



Witches of Ghana - YouTube


Eat The Poo Poo. Funniest Video Ever (Official video) - YouTube


01 11 12 NO COUNTRY FOR GHANA'S HUNTED ALBINOS - YouTube

...basically giving Westerners the impression Ghana (not to mention subsaharan Africa in general) is chock full of crazy, completely backward, messed up people, and therefore OK to not care too much about when they are exploited (though they would never say that out loud!)

Really, very little has changed since colonial days...
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