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Old 07-23-2017, 06:34 AM
 
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Hispanic is a self-declared category created by the US Census Bureau. Any person can claim to be Hispanic, which is defined as having a cultural or ethnic relationship to the people of Spain. If a person from Equatorial Guinea made this claim in the USA, it would likely not be challenged.

"In the eyes of the US Census Bureau, Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, any ethnicity, or any country of origin," -- Wikipedia

He is a black person of African ancestry who grew up in a Spanish speaking country. How does that make him different from a black Panamanian, whose only claim to distinction is that his ancestors from Guinea spent a couple of generations in the Caribbean and Central America?


They are African. According to Spain, they belong to the same community and only need two years as legal resident to become Spanish citizens.

As to the similarity with a black, say, from Panama, none whatsoever as they are African, belonging first to their tribes, which are the Bubbis and...I don't recall the other. When Spain pulled out, I believe in 1968, they were at the verge of a civil war...Their leaders speak perfect Spanish with Castilian accent.

A very rich country, would be richer than Spain if money did not end in some tax haven.

As to being classified Hispanic, that's an American Census Label which does not have any sense.
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Old 07-23-2017, 06:48 AM
 
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I don't think Jtur88 is a much better explanation (it is much more concise than mine, lol) but it does depends on a few pending issues.

This is what the actual definition is:

His·pan·ic (h-spnk)
adj.
1. Of or relating to Spain or Spanish-speaking Latin America.
2. Of or relating to a Spanish-speaking people or culture.
n.
1. A Spanish-speaking person.
2. A U.S. citizen or resident of Latin-American or Spanish descent.
Hispanic - definition of Hispanic by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Under this definition, whether Equatorial Guineans are Hispanic or not depends on whether most of the people speak Spanish as a mother tongue (ie. Spanish-speaking people or culture) or if most Equatorial Guineans have Spanish ancestry.

I'm almost certain that most Equatorial Guineans are of 100% African origin with a tiny minority composed of mixed race and fully Spanish descendants, so that last part is out of the question.

The first part depends on what most Equatorial Guineans speak as a mother tongue, since that is the most likely language that they use in everyday communication and might only use Spanish as a second language and only in official cases (every time they deal with the government.) But this I have to research. If most of them do speak Spanish as their mother tongue, then they should be considered a Hispanic people; but if they don't, then they are not Hispanic but rather native Africans with a Spanish speaking government and elite. This would be similar to a US American that studied and mastered Spanish as a second language. Despite his fluency with the Spanish language, Hispanic he is not. A person is either born Hispanic or not, you can't become one in life.

Keep in mind that I'm referring to Equatorial Guineans in general, because I think its more than obvious that at the very least some Equatorial Guineans are Hispanic regardless if most of the population is or not.

NO.....The are not "Hispanic" according to the American concoction, they FIRST belong to their tribe, they are African. They have no relationship with slaves in America whatsoever.

They are Hispanic, as Latin American and Filipinos according to Spanish law.
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Old 07-23-2017, 06:55 AM
 
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One has to be careful about setting strict rules, like Spanish as a mother tongue.

Nearly everyone in Paraguay speak Spanish only as a second language, and their mother tongue is Guarani, which is the everyday language of most Paraguayans. Are they Hispanic?

Many people in Chile and Argentina speak only Spanish, but have no ancestors, ever, from Spain. Huge numbers of Chileans and Argentines and Uruguayans descended from immigrants who came from Italy, Germany, France, England, Ireland, at the same time that others were coming to the USA and Canada.

So in Paraguay, you have people from Spain who speak little or no Spanish, and in Argentina you have Germans who speak only Spanish. Which are Hispanic?

My neighbor is a Jew from Mexico, who spend his whole life there. He speaks Spanish, English, and Hebrew. Is he Hispanic?

An American family named Johnson moves to Mexico, with preschool children. They stay 15 years and then come back to the USA with children who speak better Spanish than English. Are they Hispanic?


Yes, we are talking about a culture larger than language itself. So Paraguayans are indeed Hispanic no matter if they also speak Guarani or German, the third language.
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Old 07-23-2017, 06:57 AM
 
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Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race; a person can be Hispanic and be any race. This is just regarding US political definitions, far from being accurate.
It was a term coined for Mexicans, a few years ago it did not exist. Yes, political.
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Old 07-23-2017, 06:59 AM
 
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I think Equatorial Guinea is a member of Latin Union and Hispanidad so yes they are Hispanics as well

Hispanidad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Hispanidad!! Ja, that's a Franco thing not related with the American political census designation.
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Old 07-23-2017, 07:08 AM
 
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Well, Chacho, calmate... yes, it's somewhat of an asinine question, but maybe the question should be "Do Equatoguineans have some similar cultural traits to other latin Americans"... to which the answer would be yes, but very little... mostly in the name of popular music and TV

My father and uncle work in the oil business and have both come back from Equatorial Guinea telling me that Julio Iglesias is very popular there. They love Celia Cruz, Ricky Martin, Shakira, etc. They watch Colombian, Venezuelan and Mexican soap operas.... but Equatorial Guinea was not a colony long enough, nor did it have a significant influx of Spanish settlers, to really mold the culture the way it did happened in Latin America.

One interesting thing to note: Equatoguineans are the only ones outside of Spain who make the "Z" and "C" sound like an english "th" (the ceceo, or 'lisp')




Mmmmm....maybe that's about the only things they're similar in. The Phillippines was occupied by spain for nearly 400 years, and the Spanish left a huge imprint on that society, from religion, family, culture, politics, etc. Equatoguineans may speak more and better Spanish, but I would argue if either would be more 'Hispanic' (ya, Chacho, I know...) it would be Filipinos.


Right, the Spanish influence in the country was not much. I have a neighbour that was born there, but there were only a few families dedicated to cocoa, cocoa planters, in the island, Fernando Poo, I do recall.

Spain's influence in the Philippines was long lasted, but scarce, practically a property of Dominicans and a few families. There was a large colony of Spanish, many born there, that were practically annihilated by the Japanese and the American bombing of Manila. I know several Spanish that were born there, singer Aute for example.
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Old 07-23-2017, 07:14 AM
 
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His explanation is better because of this:


Yes, a self-declared definition. For example, you can state that you are Catalan, Basque, Asturian, those are approved definitions. Etruscan is not approved.
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Old 07-23-2017, 07:16 AM
 
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These cultural similarities are very obvious in California where Filipinos and Mexicans intermingle quite freely and there are many mixed marriages between the two. No other non Latin Americans are more similar to Mexicans as Filipinos.


Because of the Manila-Acapulco annual galleon during more than three centuries.
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Old 07-23-2017, 07:19 AM
 
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That is really quite confusing. Hispanic comes from the word Hispania. Brasil was not colonised by Spain but by Portugal. They didn't get their culture from Spaniards but from Portuguese and when you look at the members of La Hispanidad, Brasil is not there. There should probably also be a separate group for the Portuguese speaking countries to avoid confusion.
Lusitania was part of Hispania.
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Old 07-23-2017, 07:27 AM
 
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I know there are still a few, didn't know there were that many.
Americans...tried hard to remove Spanish, but there are millions of speakers, some pidgins as chavacano, etc.
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