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Old 07-28-2013, 12:25 AM
 
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People that are Brazilian can still check "Hispanic" on the census forms.
Brazil is actually NOT included in the definition of Hispanic on the USA census.

Social media and television may include Brazilians, but for the most part on government forms and census Brazilians are NOT Hispanic/Latino
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:30 AM
 
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Most census statistics list "Hispanic and Latino" as one cultural group. Like it or not, people of Portuguese descent fall under the Latino category as well. Also the Spanish and Portuguese languages have a lot of similarities.
The USA census uses Hispanic/Latino to refer to people from Hispanophone (Spanish speaking) nations.

Social media and television etc and other media outlets often include Brazilians when marketing the Latino label etc.

French speaking and French Creole speaking nations and regions are Latinos/Latins as well.
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:32 AM
 
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Hispanic is a term that emerged around 1976 with the U.S. Office of Budget and Management, and - over the last 30 years - has become a common term in the United States with a vague racial value ("mestizo," "mulato," or simply non Anglo-American "Mediterranean") white. Only in the U.S. would Cesar Chavez, Sammy Sosa, Rosie Perez, and Antonio Banderas be of the same "race" in the media or popular culture. But many Americans are shocked by the fact that few people outside of the United States use the term (or an equivalent) in the same way. If one were to go to Mexico or Colombia, one might hear "Latino/a" or "Latinoamericano/a" for Latin American, "mestizo/a" to mean "brown and part Native," "Hispanohablante" for Spanish-speakers in contexts where "Hispanic" is used in the United States.

In that view, Equatorial Guineans may be "Hispanohablante."

For example...
In the U.S., people in the United States agonize over whether George Zimmerman is a white Hispanic, White/Hispanic, just Hispanic and so on. Well, in Latin America he may be recognized as a Latino by virtue of origin, would be seen as a mestizo in terms of racial classification, and - if not Spanish speaking, Angloparlante. Antonio Banderas would definitely be Hispanohablante, but NOT Latino as a Spaniard, and white or "blanco" by race. Also, the new pope sparked some debate in the United States on whether he was truly "Hispanic," "Latino," or "white." No one in Latin America questions for one second that he is Latino, Hispanohablante, and blanco.
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:43 AM
 
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Brazil is actually NOT included in the definition of Hispanic on the USA census.

Social media and television may include Brazilians, but for the most part on government forms and census Brazilians are NOT Hispanic/Latino
Brazilians are Latino, but not Hispanic. The two words are not the same.

Spaniards, on the contrary, are Hispanic but not Latino.

However, as Brazilians are not (yet) a large minority in the U.S. (at least compared to Mexicans) and most actual Spaniards in the U.S. have assimilated into the Anglo population, this distinction is not made often, and the two words are treated as synonyms.

The definitions of these terms are actually set by the Office of Budget and Management (which reveals that fundamentally, these definitions are about politics and money not biology or culture). Hispanic was first defined in 1976, then redefined as "Hispanic or Latino" in 1997.

Read this to see how arbitrary they are...

Standards for the Classification of Federal Data on Race and Ethnicity | The White House

One last note, Republicans and Democrats may not agree on many things, but they are usually on the same page in this realm.
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Old 07-28-2013, 03:17 AM
 
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Brazilians are Latino, but not Hispanic. The two words are not the same.

Spaniards, on the contrary, are Hispanic but not Latino.

However, as Brazilians are not (yet) a large minority in the U.S. (at least compared to Mexicans) and most actual Spaniards in the U.S. have assimilated into the Anglo population, this distinction is not made often, and the two words are treated as synonyms.

The definitions of these terms are actually set by the Office of Budget and Management (which reveals that fundamentally, these definitions are about politics and money not biology or culture). Hispanic was first defined in 1976, then redefined as "Hispanic or Latino" in 1997.

Read this to see how arbitrary they are...

Standards for the Classification of Federal Data on Race and Ethnicity | The White House

One last note, Republicans and Democrats may not agree on many things, but they are usually on the same page in this realm.
Spaniards are European Latins as Latin originated from Europe ( Spaniards, Portuguese, French, Romanians and of course Italians and that's how South and Central America became Latin America.
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:18 AM
 
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Spaniards are European Latins as Latin originated from Europe ( Spaniards, Portuguese, French, Romanians and of course Italians and that's how South and Central America became Latin America.
The term Latin America was actually coined by Napoleon and the French. It was then applied to Spanish speaking regions. But Latin America started with Haiti and it expanded and spread out elsewhere throughout the region
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:25 AM
 
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Brazilians are Latino, but not Hispanic. The two words are not the same.

Spaniards, on the contrary, are Hispanic but not Latino.

However, as Brazilians are not (yet) a large minority in the U.S. (at least compared to Mexicans) and most actual Spaniards in the U.S. have assimilated into the Anglo population, this distinction is not made often, and the two words are treated as synonyms.

The definitions of these terms are actually set by the Office of Budget and Management (which reveals that fundamentally, these definitions are about politics and money not biology or culture). Hispanic was first defined in 1976, then redefined as "Hispanic or Latino" in 1997.

Read this to see how arbitrary they are...

Standards for the Classification of Federal Data on Race and Ethnicity | The White House

One last note, Republicans and Democrats may not agree on many things, but they are usually on the same page in this realm.
I never said the two words Hispanic/Latino were the same. I know that. However I was just saying that in regards to the USA, these terms are used interchangeably to refer to and explain a demographic of people.

Brazilians are not included in the definition of Hispanic/Latino for the Census. In social media and television Brazilians are often included. Some also include Haiti as well and other French speaking and French Creole speaking regions of the Western Hemisphere etc and even elsewhere.

Some include Fillipinos too.

But back to the terms, Latino is used to refer to Hispano types. Brazilians are another type of Latinos. They'd be Luso Latinos but the USA uses Latino to refer to Spanish speaking branch.

And many ppl even view these terms as racial when they aren't
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Old 07-28-2013, 06:18 AM
 
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Old 07-28-2013, 08:01 AM
 
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Many people in the Phillipines still speak Spanish to this day. Spanish should still be an official language in the Phillipines IMHO
I know there are still a few, didn't know there were that many.
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Old 07-28-2013, 08:04 AM
 
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Actually the USA Census does NOT include Brazilians in it's definition of Hispanic. In fact even the term Latino which is used interchangeably does NOT include them in the Census.

I think the Latino media socially includes Brazil when talking about Latinos. Brazilians are often included in that sense.
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And that's likely where I got that from.
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