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Old 12-18-2013, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I don't know. It's easy to say whites out there just have different, more progressive attitude and it has nothing to do with the relative absence of African Americans but it's impossible to prove one way or the other.
Yeah, and not only the relative absense of blacks plays a role, but also the economic security of whites. Cities like San Francisco and Washington, DC tend to have more "open-minded" whites because the vast majority of whites are well off. They can afford to be magnanimous. But if you're dealing with more economically vulnerable whites, then it's a different story.

Even more affluent whites can get pretty racist once they feel their security is being threatened.

 
Old 12-18-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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Europeans and Europe seem to be more understanding of racism as well as slavery and it's impacts on the victims and targets, that many white Americans may overlook or try to deny.

There are different attitudes in regards to these things in Europe, than how it's interpreted or dealt with in the USA.

Where did you get that from? Try talking to the French about the legacy of slavery, or even whether blacks have a right to even raise this as a topic for legitimate discussion.

I also do not know that the British are more willing to admit the legacy of slavery than white Americans are.

There is less racial segregation and the reasons for that might be because it is only since the post WWII period when large black communities emerged in the UK and France, and even then these communities are much smaller than in the USA. Compare London with its 13% black population with many US cities where the numbers are in the 25-40% range. And London only reached those numbers over the past decade or so. In the 70s it was more like 5%.

Paris doesnt break down its population by ethnicity as part of its ideology of delegitimizing any discussions on this topic. France is a Gallic country and that is all the matters.
 
Old 12-18-2013, 01:35 PM
 
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Oakland is no where near any city back east as far as race relations. .
How do you measure race relations in comparison to a relatively liberal city like NYC? What are race relations? To me unless there is equity in household incomes, etc., I will not claim that race relations are good. Not talking about certain issues because people are too polite isnt the same as claiming that race/racism is of minimal importance.
 
Old 12-19-2013, 09:32 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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How do you measure race relations in comparison to a relatively liberal city like NYC? What are race relations? To me unless there is equity in household incomes, etc., I will not claim that race relations are good. Not talking about certain issues because people are too polite isnt the same as claiming that race/racism is of minimal importance.
So you're saying that the history of race relations don't matter? Okie doke
 
Old 12-19-2013, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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So you're saying that the history of race relations don't matter? Okie doke
But he/she raised a good point. How are you evaluating race relations?
 
Old 12-19-2013, 11:25 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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But he/she raised a good point. How are you evaluating race relations?
Well, like it matters, that just gives more fuel for argument. One way would be how segregated an area is. New York is number 2 in the country. No place in the Bay Area made the top 10.


The 10 most segregated urban areas in America | Slide Show - Salon.com
 
Old 12-20-2013, 09:45 PM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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Yeah, and not only the relative absense of blacks plays a role, but also the economic security of whites. Cities like San Francisco and Washington, DC tend to have more "open-minded" whites because the vast majority of whites are well off. They can afford to be magnanimous. But if you're dealing with more economically vulnerable whites, then it's a different story.

Even more affluent whites can get pretty racist once they feel their security is being threatened.

Lots of truth here.

Competing with or having enough blacks move into your neighborhood changes things quickly.
 
Old 12-22-2013, 07:16 PM
 
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So you're saying that the history of race relations don't matter? Okie doke

There is no part of the USA which doesn't have a legacy of bigotry towards blacks. And that includes California. Some places bigotry was enforced by law, and in others by social custom. You must be aware of the riots of the WWII period when blacks and Mexicans were beaten up. This is why there were patterns of ethnically based residential segregation.
 
Old 12-22-2013, 07:19 PM
 
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Well, like it matters, that just gives more fuel for argument. One way would be how segregated an area is. New York is number 2 in the country. No place in the Bay Area made the top 10.


The 10 most segregated urban areas in America | Slide Show - Salon.com

If you were to look at residency patterns of Italians and Jews you would also see more segregation. Densely populated cities like NYC operate differently from say LA where one can drive from one can more easily isolate one's self from people who are different as it is a driving, rather than waking city.

Aso LA is represented as being as segregated as Philly which definitely isn't the "City of Brotherhood".
 
Old 12-23-2013, 04:52 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Places with low levels of Blacks appear to be less racist because well they can afford to be. It's not rocket science. Human beings are human beings anyone that believes that Northern and CA Whites are better than Southern Whites is not thinking this out.
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