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Old 01-16-2014, 07:07 PM
 
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You can find links. You can also find differences. The cultures of both people are different. Same with Melanesians (though we didn't come from there).
Melanesians are NOT Africans. Also, they are NOT of African descent.

Genetically they cluster with indigenous Asian and Australasian and Oceanian groups.

 
Old 01-16-2014, 10:57 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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I hate that we let Messy Jackson add "African" to our American identity. we don't need to be African: we are a great nation within a nation that needs to realize ourselves as distinct from other "black" groups in just about every way.

we have a lot of issues today but nevertheless have MUCH to be proud of! peace.
Exactly!
 
Old 01-17-2014, 08:33 AM
 
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Melanesians are NOT Africans. Also, they are NOT of African descent.

Genetically they cluster with indigenous Asian and Australasian and Oceanian groups.
I never said they were. But they are a Black people. African descent? There are many different people of Africa. You will find that many Black Americans resemble Melanesians as a matter of fact. Thousands if not millions in fact.
 
Old 01-17-2014, 08:34 AM
 
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I hate that we let Messy Jackson add "African" to our American identity. we don't need to be African: we are a great nation within a nation that needs to realize ourselves as distinct from other "black" groups in just about every way.

we have a lot of issues today but nevertheless have MUCH to be proud of! peace.
Agreed. I do not care for the term African American. I really don't care for Black American either but I just keep it in context. But African American I rarely if ever use. Trying to take it out of my vocabulary.
 
Old 01-17-2014, 09:57 PM
 
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Black-Americans aren't generally known to have many direct African cultural influences like those found in Haiti,Brazil or Cuba. But didn't some degree of African influence shape the way that black-Americans do and approach certain things? Like for example blacks in America have been well known for being good dancers and innovative with music. Where does that come from? Black Americans have their own way of speaking english called "black english" by some. What influenced that?

Could Jazz music had been developed without some amount of African sensibilities? In order for James Brown to create the music he created wouldn't that have also required that it come from someone of African descent? A song like Flashlight by Parliament could have only come from African descendant musicians. Dance styles like Locking and popping(popular in the 70's-80's)could only have been by created by African descendants also.

Basically what I'm getting at is that it's true that Black-Americans don't have the more obvious African cultural influences found in a Cuba or Haiti but much of what we do in music,dance,language,worship and food does show some African sensibilities if you look a little deeper at things.
Most Blacks in the US neither dance nor work as professional musicians. You're dealing with a tiny MINORITY of people. KNOCK of the STEREOTYPES.
 
Old 01-17-2014, 11:32 PM
 
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I never said they were. But they are a Black people. African descent? There are many different people of Africa. You will find that many Black Americans resemble Melanesians as a matter of fact. Thousands if not millions in fact.
Whites and Asians are African descent if you go back far enough. The people you are talking about are genetically closer to Asians than they are to blacks despite their outward appearance.
 
Old 01-18-2014, 12:07 AM
 
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Whites and Asians are African descent if you go back far enough. The people you are talking about are genetically closer to Asians than they are to blacks despite their outward appearance.
Right. All humans are INDIRECTLY of African descent. All humans share out of Africa DNA. those that remained in Africa after the Out Of Africa migration would become Africans, and those that went on the out of Africa path became NON Africans in genetic clustering and patterns etc. Each population formed and migrated and adapted to the different weather and climates which shaped looks and hair texture and skin color and shape and patterns etc.
 
Old 01-18-2014, 08:05 AM
 
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Right. All humans are INDIRECTLY of African descent. All humans share out of Africa DNA. those that remained in Africa after the Out Of Africa migration would become Africans, and those that went on the out of Africa path became NON Africans in genetic clustering and patterns etc. Each population formed and migrated and adapted to the different weather and climates which shaped looks and hair texture and skin color and shape and patterns etc.
Yes. The people of Melanesia and the higher parts of the Philippines retained African looks because the climates in those regions is similar to parts of Africa so they changed little outwardly. nature doesn't change what it doesn't need to change. However, you are right that the genes found throughout the world have African roots.
 
Old 01-18-2014, 01:05 PM
 
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Yes. The people of Melanesia and the higher parts of the Philippines retained African looks because the climates in those regions is similar to parts of Africa so they changed little outwardly. nature doesn't change what it doesn't need to change. However, you are right that the genes found throughout the world have African roots.
Caucasoid is an arbitrary parameter created in the 19th century. It is a residue, an anachronism. Two people can be 'Caucasoid' and not be closely related. Craniofacial plasticity is much more variable than was originally thought, so racial claims on craniofacial parameters are foolish. In microcosms, you might be able to show some relationship, but in global macrocosms, there are more mistakes than accuracy. Polytopicity is when two different groups of organisms that are not related end up having similar traits.

More like, if they are in similar environments, common factors may play a role in similar attributes. For example people in the circum Sahara developed thinner noses overall because of the dryer, hotter air. In Europe the colder dryer air had a similar effect. When we see broader features, they tend to be more recent migrations to dryer regions from more humid climates. Of course other factors can come into play as well. For example Neanderthals had wide nasal cavities but a very long nose that did a similar function to a thin nose. Clothing has played a huge role in allowing people with certain traits to migrate to regions they did not do so well in naked.

Humanity is infinitely diverse and a beautiful thing. We are playdoh to the environment. And now we change the environment to us.
 
Old 01-18-2014, 01:06 PM
 
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Yes. The people of Melanesia and the higher parts of the Philippines retained African looks because the climates in those regions is similar to parts of Africa so they changed little outwardly. nature doesn't change what it doesn't need to change. However, you are right that the genes found throughout the world have African roots.
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