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Old 08-12-2013, 06:47 PM
 
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The root word of culture is cult. There are so many reasons given for why FGM started and they vary by ethnic group but they all go back to serving men by reducing or eliminating the female sex drive. Of course women uphold FGM and it wouldn't survive without us. It is part of the cultures that we have absorbed as the rules that dictate our lives. For many women they simply can not imagine a world without FGM. They abide by it regardless of the pain and suffering it has caused them because it is the "right thing to do." When you control the way a people think you do not have to worry about what they do. If you are really interested in hearing about how African women feel about this issue then please listen to them and ask them. There are very few African women on this board but there are plenty of African boards you could visit.
First of all, American culture, with its particular elements relating to the status of women, also derives from the root "cult". And if that is the cult that you wish to replace the African cult with, it's just your cult against somebody else's.

This thread is about the status of women, and if the women of Africa felt that their status would be improved by discontinuing FGM, they have the power to just stop doing it.

As for listening to anecdotal accounts from particular women, I suspect that is is much easier to find anecdotal arguments from opponents, than from advocates of FGM. Which, as always happens when your base your date on anecdotal evidence, cannot be depended upon to lead you to objective and empirical data.

I am not an advocate of FGM. But I am also not an advocate of outsiders ramping up shrill cultural meddling into the affairs of other continents until sooner or later, it turns into still more Shock And Awe, which quite frankly, the world has had enough of. What were you saying about "controlling the way people think"?

By the way, you have still not offered even the tiniest shred of statistical evidence about how widespread FGM is practiced to the degree that there is any significant medical risk. Of course there is some, but there are all kinds of things that occur among "some" people in countries that are still following many varieties of ancient traditions. Our society's social problems are conspicuous enough, it is not at all clear that it is a step forward to replace someone else's culture with our fear-driven, depression, self-image hysteria, obesity, pornography, drugs and alcohol culture.

The reason I started this thread as the OP was not to give single-issue advocates an invitation to bugle their own personal agenda, but rather to open a discussion about what the status of women in Africa actually is, and how or whether it is changing, and if then, for the better or worse.

I was hoping to discuss, for example, the fact that women have served as presidents of Guinea Bissau, Liberia, Burundi, Gabon and Malawi.

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Old 08-12-2013, 07:36 PM
 
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First of all, American culture, with its particular elements relating to the status of women, also derives from the root "cult". And if that is the cult that you wish to replace the African cult with, it's just your cult against somebody else's.

This thread is about the status of women, and if the women of Africa felt that their status would be improved by discontinuing FGM, they have the power to just stop doing it.

As for listening to anecdotal accounts from particular women, I suspect that is is much easier to find anecdotal arguments from opponents, than from advocates of FGM. Which, as always happens when your base your date on anecdotal evidence, cannot be depended upon to lead you to objective and empirical data.

I am not an advocate of FGM. But I am also not an advocate of outsiders ramping up shrill cultural meddling into the affairs of other continents until sooner or later, it turns into still more Shock And Awe, which quite frankly, the world has had enough of. What were you saying about "controlling the way people think"?

By the way, you have still not offered even the tiniest shred of statistical evidence about how widespread FGM is practiced to the degree that there is any significant medical risk. Of course there is some, but there are all kinds of things that occur among "some" people in countries that are still following many varieties of ancient traditions. Our society's social problems are conspicuous enough, it is not at all clear that it is a step forward to replace someone else's culture with our fear-driven, depression, self-image hysteria, obesity, pornography, drugs and alcohol culture.

The reason I started this thread as the OP was not to give single-issue advocates an invitation to bugle their own personal agenda, but rather to open a discussion about what the status of women in Africa actually is, and how or whether it is changing, and if then, for the better or worse.

I was hoping to discuss, for example, the fact that women have served as presidents of Guinea Bissau, Liberia, Burundi, Gabon and Malawi.
Find your own statistical data if that's what you are looking for. It's very readily available. Otherwise your ignorance is simultaneously common, sickening, and sad and I do not have the time to educate you.
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Old 08-12-2013, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Find your own statistical data if that's what you are looking for. It's very readily available. Otherwise your ignorance is simultaneously common, sickening, and sad and I do not have the time to educate you.
You are the one making the argument that would be based on that statistical data, if there were any. You can't just toss out random statements and then tell me to go and find statistics to prove that there are no supporting statistics. Proving a negative.

By the way, I did. I presented a link to a site that showed that in 9 of 12 African countries included in a survey, a majority of women who have experienced FGM are in favor of retaining the cultural practice. (It's up in post #17, if you missed it.) But you know better than they do, and they have to change practices they don't want to change, because you say so.

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Old 08-12-2013, 10:55 PM
 
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I got familiar with the child brides issue through a lady named Seodi White of Malawi. She's been fighting it there.
Thank you for introducing me to her.
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