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Old 08-16-2013, 02:23 PM
 
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No it isn't,, although that might be a factor, it is not the biggest one. The biggest factor is that the IQ of East Asians is about 20 points higher than Africans. ..........
Actually is more like 35 points higher. Although test after test of every description verifies this, it is a hate fact and must be denied.

We are supposed to believe that evolution was politically correct and made everybody's brains the same even though people around the world evolved to survive in completely different environments.
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Old 08-16-2013, 06:30 PM
 
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Transposing development models isn't as simple as the cheerleaders would have one believe. Unfortunately, the idea of "just copy Singapore & Hong Kong" is widespread amongst neo-liberals, many development workers, and developing world elites (many having been educated/socialised in the West). The results can range from disappointing to disastrous.

Also, we really need to critically evaluate IQ tests* before using them to reinforce colonial stereotypes about the intelligence of Africans.


*One of note: American IQ test scores have been rising in a statistically significant way for the last several decades. It's unrealistic to postulate that human intelligence in the US has been evolving so swiftly. A far more likely possibility is that IQ test scores have improved as Western educations prep students for these tests better. I would cite the following as my source: Why the West Rules--for Now: The Patterns of History, and What They Reveal About the Future: Ian Morris: 9780312611699: Amazon.com: Books
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Old 08-16-2013, 08:39 PM
 
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A far more likely possibility is that IQ test scores have improved as Western educations prep students for these tests better.
Yeah , well guess what. Maybe people with western educations are also better prepped to do everything else, too, like cognitive thinking and analytical problem solving and logical evaluation of ideas (which masquerade as "intelligence") and leading a nation into the 21st Century global economic fabric.

Maybe Asians only seem more intelligent because someone has taken the trouble to "prep" them to do the kinds of things that reflect the normal human intelligence they were born with.

Now, how do we use this sudden epiphany to kick start African countries? By training a lot of prospective lawyers to wear neckties into air conditioned offices to write laws concerning banking and property rights?
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Old 08-17-2013, 12:17 AM
 
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For the umpteenth time, Singapore is not a country in the sense that Nigeria and Ethiopia are countries.
Ok I understand that but my main point was that African countries need legal reforms more than anything else if they are to develop. I once heard a Liberian lawyer say that one of the main reasons countries like Liberia and other African countries blow up is because of a lack of justice. Disputes and people who have been wronged need a legal way to get things dealt with.
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Old 08-17-2013, 01:16 AM
 
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Singapore isn't applicable in any way to African countries and the economic model would not have the same results at all. The difference between the East Asian tigers and former African colonies is that two of the tigers are former British administered trade cities and the other two are former Japanese colonies. South Korea and Taiwan were brutally ruled by Japan but unlike the European colonies, the Japanese built up an indigenous managerial and bureaucratic class (of mostly collaborators) in Korea and Taiwan. It is no coincidence that the South Korean chaebols resemble the zaibatsus from the Imperial Japanese era. None of the African colonies (with the exception of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe and South Africa) have had any degree of industrialization the way Korea and Taiwan had back in the colonial era nor did any of the European imperialists build up any kind of a political or managerial class composed of indigenous talent in their African colonies. That's the main reason why most African colonies fell apart while South Korea and Taiwan prospered. I won't go into Singapore or Hong Kong since these are port cities in strategic locations or in the case of HK the only source of trade between the mainland and the West before Deng Xiaoping enacted his reforms.
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Old 08-17-2013, 12:56 PM
 
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That's the main reason why most African colonies fell apart while South Korea and Taiwan prospered.
Ok but you have to take into account the economic model that was chosen by post colonial African leaders. Most new African leaders wanted to emulate the Soviet economy and political system. Well we saw how the Soviet Union turned out. The Asian Tiger countries went with more market oriented/free trade economies.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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Ok I understand that but my main point was that African countries need legal reforms more than anything else if they are to develop. I once heard a Liberian lawyer say that one of the main reasons countries like Liberia and other African countries blow up is because of a lack of justice. Disputes and people who have been wronged need a legal way to get things dealt with.
I will agree that there is a lack of justice in the majority of countries on the African continent; many of these countries are ran by dictatorships masked by democracy.

However, you must realize that these African regimes are supported by white governments, mostly through the influence of European and American multinational corporations, which themselves have massive influence in the countries they are based in.

Like all corporations, their main objective is profit over everything else; thus when you have a large corporation with mass influence in an African country, the needs of the people get overlooked. The corporations support rogue regimes, and in return the rogue regimes make sure the laws favor big business.

If things get too out of hand in the African country, and rebellion occurs, the multinational corporation(s) can use their influence back home to get their army to come in and quell rebellion; that is what recently happened in Mali when France sent troops into that country to quell the tuareg rebellions, the tuaregs being a group of people who claim that the Mali government has not been meeting their needs and ignoring their concerns.

My main point: Africa is a continent rich in natural resources; this is true. But because of the current nature of business, the wealth of the continent mostly ends up in the coffers of white capitalists, and their African counterparts who help them to keep control of African resources.

Africa is poor as it is for a reason, and The white countries and white controlled cities like Singapore are as rich as they are for a reason.
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Old 08-17-2013, 07:10 PM
 
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Do you agree with the views of the Dambisa Moyos and the George Ayitteys that foreign aid(government to government) doesn't help the average African but just helps bad leaders to stay in power?

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Old 08-17-2013, 07:31 PM
 
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Ok but you have to take into account the economic model that was chosen by post colonial African leaders. Most new African leaders wanted to emulate the Soviet economy and political system. Well we saw how the Soviet Union turned out. The Asian Tiger countries went with more market oriented/free trade economies.
The term "market oriented free trade economies" is a misnomer when it comes to the Asian Tigers. They went through a state capitalism route and in the case of South Korea its economic model is very similar to Imperial Japan's economic model with the chaebols resembling the zaibatsus. Almost of the chaebol administrators were also educated in Japanese universities and had managerial experience. This is NOT the case when it comes to African countries. The managerial class is close to nonexistent and if an African country were to pursue a free market, free trade oriented route it would end in disaster or in the importation of foreign expats to administer the companies which would mean no indigenous talent would be developed. Most African countries simply can't compete in a free trade/free market economy. They first have to develop the talent first to develop sustainable companies. Of course, that would mean they would need funding and sure enough the foreign "aid" that the West gives to these African countries often stipulate they cannot have any state funded companies. African countries are going to have to pursue a path that addresses their needs and that is something that is extremely difficult for them or for anyone to figure out. The Asian model simply isn't applicable to them nor is the Western model. Also, the few indigenous talent Africa does develop often leave for the West especially if they are extremely talented and that has been a problem for the continent for decades.
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Old 08-17-2013, 08:53 PM
 
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African countries are going to have to pursue a path that addresses their needs and that is something that is extremely difficult for them or for anyone to figure out.
How about more African governments adopt reforms that make it easier for their citizens to develop businesses? Right now too many African governments have policies in place that stagnate business development.



How about making it easier to get a business license.

" This helps to explain why doing business across much of Africa is a nightmare. In Cameroon, it takes a potential investor around 426 days to perform 15 procedures to gain a business license. What entrepreneur wants to spend 119 days filling out forms to start a business in Angola? He's much more likely to consider the U.S. (40 days and 19 procedures) or South Korea (17 days and 10 procedures). "

Dambisa Moyo
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