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Old 08-18-2013, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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At the time, South Africa was not a non-white country. Only a very tiny part of eastern South Africa was populated by black Zulus, and the first European settlers in most of the country found it completely unpopulated by anybody, except a few Khoikhoi, completely unrelated to today's South African blacks. Blacks spread out across South Africa after the white settlers hired them to come for labor, although there was a black presence in Natal at the time. Cape, Transvaal and the Orange Free State were not taken from blacks -- in fact blacks were brought there by white settlers who needed labor. Blacks in most of South Africa had nowhere near the presence that Indians had in North America, and in most of the country, were completely absent.

Egypt, India, Hong Kong etc., all had a well-established presence of advanced literate and industrialized cultures with great cities and political institution. South Africa did not. By the way, it was not the British. The Dutch had already been colonizing South Africa for 150 years before the British had any say in the matter.


So the answer to the OP question is the same as the reason why whites moved to North America. They were free from any political restraint to do so, and saw opportunity there.
That's not really true, the Bantu (who include the Zulu) spread into South Africa well before the first Boers, although yes, they did displace the Khoisans etc and stuff. The fertile areas were well inhabited, although much of western SA is desert like Australia.
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Old 08-18-2013, 09:20 AM
 
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Would you put Australia in that category as well?
I dont know too much about the history of Australia to answer your question. Though I never heard of any strong states that ever formed on that territory before Europeans came, nor do I know of the demographics of Australia back then.
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Old 08-18-2013, 09:27 AM
 
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The biggest reason is the climate as Nigeria and India were too hot for large amount of European settlements. Yet South Africa has a climate somewhat similar to Southern Europe.

Yet there was never a time when there was a majority of the people white in South Africa.
Climate and disease are related, but they are not the only factors that hindered settlement. Remember that Europeans settled heavily in parts of Central and South America which also have tropical climates.
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:47 AM
 
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Climate and disease are related, but they are not the only factors that hindered settlement. Remember that Europeans settled heavily in parts of Central and South America which also have tropical climates.
Ever notice how many major cities in Central and South America are at altitude in the mountains? Less disease/bugs there and more agreeable to European settlement. That's also one reason why slaves were imported from Africa, because many whites were not immune to tropical diseases (or were less expendable I suppose) not used to the torrid clime of Western Africa.
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:49 AM
 
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Ever notice how many major cities in Central and South America are at altitude in the mountains? Less disease/bugs there and more agreeable to European settlement. That's also one reason why slaves were imported from Africa, because many whites were not immune to tropical diseases (or were less expendable I suppose) not used to the torrid clime of Western Africa.
Yeah, I guess I can agree to an extent. I agree that Africans were more adept to the warmer climates than Europeans. Dont necessarily know about the high altitude cities and European settlement patterns, but it sounds plausible.

I just know there is no shortage of white people on the low lying Brazilian coast, and throughout all of Argentina.
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:54 AM
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Now is easier for all types of people to live pretty much anywhere, mostly thanks to technology that helps mitigate the effects of the climate.

In the past, living in hot and muggy tropical areas was a living hell for those people not genetically designed to live in such environment. The only ways people kept themselves cool was by avoiding the sun and having a fan (or someone) blow hot air towards you. Now there's air conditioning and that makes all the difference.

Even today its recommended for dark black people living in places with cold winters and short days to take vitamin D pills during the winter months. Their skin naturally produces vitamin D from the strong sun rays, but in higher latitudes sun rays are neither strong nor plentiful during the winter months and this can cause health problems for dark people.

I personally think those that are conspicuously mixed probably have a much better time adjusting to different climate areas due to having a mixture of two extremes in their genes. But again, today this is probably irrelevant with all the technology, vitamin pills, etc available to make the natural reality of a place completely irrelevant for the survival of any type of person.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:42 PM
 
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Because it used to be a safe. And they did it for the warm climate.
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Old 08-25-2013, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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At the time, South Africa was not a non-white country. Only a very tiny part of eastern South Africa was populated by black Zulus, and the first European settlers in most of the country found it completely unpopulated by anybody, except a few Khoikhoi, completely unrelated to today's South African blacks. Blacks spread out across South Africa after the white settlers hired them to come for labor, although there was a black presence in Natal at the time. Cape, Transvaal and the Orange Free State were not taken from blacks -- in fact blacks were brought there by white settlers who needed labor. Blacks in most of South Africa had nowhere near the presence that Indians had in North America, and in most of the country, were completely absent.

Egypt, India, Hong Kong etc., all had a well-established presence of advanced literate and industrialized cultures with great cities and political institution. South Africa did not. By the way, it was not the British. The Dutch had already been colonizing South Africa for 150 years before the British had any say in the matter.


So the answer to the OP question is the same as the reason why whites moved to North America. They were free from any political restraint to do so, and saw opportunity there.
Well you certainly know your history.
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Old 08-25-2013, 12:56 PM
 
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The Diamond industry, follow the resources and money, that will explain everything.
That caused the explosion in the British population but White settlement predated the discovery of diamonds in Kimberly by two hundred years.
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Old 08-25-2013, 01:01 PM
 
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Ever notice how many major cities in Central and South America are at altitude in the mountains? Less disease/bugs there and more agreeable to European settlement. That's also one reason why slaves were imported from Africa, because many whites were not immune to tropical diseases (or were less expendable I suppose) not used to the torrid clime of Western Africa.
It's that but also due to who settled where and why. Spain was much more about conquest and plunder. They weren't leaving Spain for religious enlightenment or freedom but to get rich quick. Get rich quick schemes are primarily male endeavors so there were few Spaniard women who came along these voyages. The Spaniards just built upon existing Indian cities/settlements. Human beings in general tend to settle in more temperate areas relative to the general climate near fresh water sources.
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