U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Africa
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 09-15-2013, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
8,483 posts, read 10,467,331 times
Reputation: 5401

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948 View Post
pre colonial history is not hard to come by
Africa fell short of Disneyland b4 the European colonial period
but fewer people to blame it on
Well it sure isn't Disneyland after the European colonial period.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-15-2013, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Maryland
18,624 posts, read 16,430,900 times
Reputation: 6348
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdiggs1 View Post
Jtur88, is Egypt in Africa? Are ancient Egyptians considered Black Africans to you?
Around and around we go.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-15-2013, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Maryland
18,624 posts, read 16,430,900 times
Reputation: 6348
Quote:
Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly View Post
Well it sure isn't Disneyland after the European colonial period.
You mean the great inheritors of the splendor of Ancient Egypt can't outmaneuver the cave dwelling White man? Say it ain't so.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-16-2013, 04:45 AM
 
574 posts, read 1,670,923 times
Reputation: 516
Race really is a meaningless construct, and not too good a measure of a persons culture.

Its like people who identify themselves as black. But a person can be black anywhere; you can be black in Russia, China, England, Senegal,etc. but that doesnt say anything about you culturally. A black person from Senegal and a black person from America are different culturally; to see all black people as one group marginalizes their cultural differences.

I call myself a "Black American," cause I think that has meaning, cause all black people in the Americas can relate to each other (minus the first generation black immigrants). But the term shows I am different from the black people in China, or the Blackanese as Chris Tucker would say.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-16-2013, 04:49 AM
 
574 posts, read 1,670,923 times
Reputation: 516
Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardA View Post
Around and around we go.
Dude, my problem with the Ancient Egyptian race controversy is that it is COMPLETELY OBVIOUS hat he Ancient Egyptians are black. This isnt pseudoscience. You can go o Egypt today and see old tomb paintings of how they depicted themselves.

The Nation of Islam didnt sneak in there with a bunch of crayons and color the Egyptians black.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-16-2013, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Maryland
18,624 posts, read 16,430,900 times
Reputation: 6348
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdiggs1 View Post
Dude, my problem with the Ancient Egyptian race controversy is that it is COMPLETELY OBVIOUS hat he Ancient Egyptians are black. This isnt pseudoscience. You can go o Egypt today and see old tomb paintings of how they depicted themselves.

The Nation of Islam didnt sneak in there with a bunch of crayons and color the Egyptians black.
They are not Black in the American context that you are applying to them. There are plenty of people around the globe with similar hues to Black Americans or sub-Saharan Blacks who have no connection to either. That's what we mean when we say they were not Black. The USA doesn't define race for the whole world.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-16-2013, 09:11 AM
 
1,889 posts, read 2,057,176 times
Reputation: 2393
Quote:
Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly View Post
There definitely is a misconception that Africans(particularly South of the Sahara) had no type of civilization prior to the Europeans arrival. This is largely due to history of extreme Eurocentrism and White supremacy. The time period before Pre-Colonialism was like a "Golden Era" for the continent and especially West Africa, as many kingdoms existed. The Trans-Saharan routes flourished and brought great wealth throughout the most of the continent. Even with North Africa, many Eurocentrics felt that the only reason civilizations like Egypt existed was because Europeans or other foreign groups allowed them to do so. So in a sense, they didn't really view them as indigenous African Civilizations.
You make up something, then present it as fact, pure bs. Africa was not civilized until the Europeans arrived. "Golden Era," wasn't this a term used in white culture? Was there even a written language? No.

So many negroes like to present Egypt as "their" history, but negoes originated in sub-saharan Africa. North Africans, meaning Egypt, Libya, Tunesia, Algeria, Morocco are darker skinned caucasions.

Last edited by 9162; 09-16-2013 at 09:21 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-16-2013, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
8,483 posts, read 10,467,331 times
Reputation: 5401
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9162 View Post
You make up something, then present it as fact, pure bs. Africa was not civilized until the Europeans arrived. "Golden Era," wasn't this a term used in white culture? Was there even a written language? No.

So many negroes like to present Egypt as "their" history, but negoes originated in sub-saharan Africa. North Africans, meaning Egypt, Libya, Tunesia, Algeria, Morocco are darker skinned caucasions.
Thank you for showing that you have no idea what your talking about. Are there any more arrogantly misguided and inaccurate statements you would like to share with the rest of us?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-17-2013, 07:13 AM
 
Location: SNJ
7 posts, read 14,854 times
Reputation: 11
Post Response

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Style View Post
I agree with you 100%, I am just saying though, people have to want to learn and take a active roll in their education, that is all I am saying.
But, if your motivation has been depleted, better yet, not fully developed, how can you want anything more than what you see around you? Behavior is a conditioned response, so is the motivation to behave in particular ways. Furthermore, not every human has conscious understanding of Self, or a clear historical foundation to understand his/her potential. Which means, not everyone has the automatic inclination to tap into their abilities, dreams, and hopes...especially if they cannot see their worth. For instance, when your environment yields more individuals that go to jail and do not go to college, or more individuals that see criminal behavior as the best means to get out of a bad condition and who do not see the benefit in going to school; when you are judged negatively by those around you for trying to better yourself; when your environment is not conducive to an education; when educators act more like bad babysitters; when your guardian is working 12 hrs. a day to keep food in the house or is unemployed and cant' find a job, or strung out or drugs because they have lost hope and cannot cope leaving no one to guide you; when you have learning challenges that are not being addressed accurately by a failed school system; when you live in poverty and your only motivation is to get out of that condition and not study for your spelling test tomorrow; when TV continually holds your attention more than a book--and that same TV tells you, you're nothing and will never be no more than a rapper, ball player or joke; how can you possibly think about wanting to do anything more than alleviate your frustrations, especially when you have no hope for a better tomorrow? Are there some that do overcome these conditions? Of course there are. But, those are the ones that have some other influence in their lives to show them there is a better way, there is a benefit to investing into this journey in spite what you see or experience. Not every individual in those conditions have that. Not every individual lives in, have or see security, promise or purpose. And, saying, "if I can do it, you can...if that person did it, you can too" is an illusion. Embodiment theory states that your socio-bio-psychological experience is unique and dictates how you experience, think about and navigate the environment around you. So, you may have certain social, biological, and psychological conditionings that allows you to function better in one environment and much worse in another. Therefore, we should not expect everyone to be able to do the same things at the same time in the same way.

Furthermore, and a lot of people really do not want to hear this, but its true nonetheless, there is no such thing as access to equal opportunity at the moment. Everyone does not have an equal chance to improve or capitalize on the resources in a society. That too is an illusion. For instance, someone with better connections and wealth will have access to more resources to get what s/he needs than someone that does not. Someone with more motivation and determination (even without wealth) is likely to go further than someone that has not developed those qualities. When you have a culture and history that supports success and an attitude of hard work and motivation you will be able to produce people from that culture that will see their own worth. If the culture and the history of that culture is broken, what kind of people will be produced? When other cultures continually reject you--no matter what you do, what do you think the members of the rejected culture will experience? When members of your culture are judged by the worse of your culture and not by the best members of your culture, what will that produce? When you have been taught that you are nothing and there are limited or maladaptive mechanisms in place to counter act those negative lessons, what will that produce? Let me put it another way: If you cage an animal in a box that is too small for its growth and development; if you feed it garbage or starve it; if you poke at it with a stick, beat it with a belt and then make it fight with other animals of its kind--who are treated in the same fashion, do you blame the dog for being mean or violent? Do you blame the dog for being sickly and deformed? No. But, when it comes to humans, we quickly attribute the individual's behavior to internal mechanisms only and "out ability reason," without considering how developed or healthy those mechanism are or that when your basic needs are unmet your ability to reason objectively becomes tainted. We forget that there is an interconnectedness with environment and behavior, culture and behavior, history and behavior, education and behavior, socioeconomics and behavior.

Also, as soon as you make contact with another person, whatever concepts that person has about you will be automatically triggered cognitively and that will ultimately trigger beliefs and feelings in that person about you and a resulting behavior. With that said, if someone assumes you are unintelligent or aggressive, just by how you look (and nothing more or maybe what s/he believes about you from watching TV) s/he will respond to you accordingly; how can you have an equal opportunity to a resource (eg, a job, bank loan, etc). We would like to "think" everyone is judged fairly because that is how the institutions and systems are sold to the masses. But the reality is, human cognition and behavior can easily override moral/ethical rules and laws and if there are no solid checks and balances, those who are demonized and marginalized will be seen as deficient and not worthy of having any of those resources that most others have access to in society (eg, causing injustices and inequalities).

Everything that I have said can be researched and read about. Just Google or Bing "attribution theory, social cognition, stereotype development, embodiment theory, the Cress theory, Social Identity Threat, Stereotype Threat, stereotype development, violence and poverty..." Also, look up the work of Dr. Z. Kunda, Dr. Claude Steele, Dr. Susan Fiske, Dr. David Wu and a host of other social psychologists. Look up articles on the American Psychological Association. Study culture and behavior. There is so much evidence and support about this topic; but unfortunately its suppressed, hence why change is slow. But that's another discussion for another day...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-17-2013, 07:50 AM
Status: "I hate living in Georgia!!" (set 12 days ago)
 
48,141 posts, read 45,484,200 times
Reputation: 15338
Quote:
Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly View Post
Thank you for showing that you have no idea what your talking about. Are there any more arrogantly misguided and inaccurate statements you would like to share with the rest of us?
And something else to consider. Referring to Blacks by a very outdated term shows a certain level of prejudice taking place. Why else would anyone use that term?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Africa
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top