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Old 09-07-2013, 11:15 AM
 
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Let me get this straight, you think someone who probably knows about as much on the history of Africa as you do (which apparently isn't much), makes a silly video and it refutes a PROFESSOR whose articles are PEER reviewed? Do you understand what the term "peer reviewed" means?
An interesting article related to peer reviews.


http://www.ferris.edu/ISAR/Pretell-Afrocentrism.pdf
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Old 09-07-2013, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Beautiful post. But question: Are Ethiopians black? What's your view on that?
Yeah, sort of, but so are Australian Aborigines and South Indians. So what?

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Yes, most Ethiopians are linguistically, and culturally different from Bantus. But even if they do have Asiatic origin at some point (of course we all have African origin at some point too), they've been cut off from their Asian influences for a very long time. On the other hand, they live next to Bantu cultures and as isolated as they may be, at this point it's likely that they have far more interaction with their neighbors then with any distant Asian relations. Plus, the fact remains that they do live in a continent called Africa and in a region of Africa that most geographers call "sub-Saharan".
Historically inaccurate. As early as the 7th century BCE, Ethiopian coastal areas were colonized by spice traders from Asia. From Eritrea, "I can see Asia from my house!", and there was never a lapse in commerce and communications between the Horn of Africa and the Arabian Peninsula, separated by 20 km of water. However, the South Sudan (which separated Ethiopia from Congo) is,and has always been, one of the most difficult geographies in Africa to wander back and forth across. To this day, there is no reliable road.

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Old 09-07-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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Yeah, sort of, but so are Australian Aborigines and South Indians. So what?
Then you should agree that racial terms like "Black African and other racial colors" don't hold much weight in this when it comes to ancient African civilizations and culture. In reality do we even have to ask if Ethiopians are Black or not? It just seems completely ridiculous to me.
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Old 09-07-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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An interesting article related to peer reviews.


http://www.ferris.edu/ISAR/Pretell-Afrocentrism.pdf
How is the writing of a supposed lawyer "an interesting article related to peer reviews"? She babbles for the entire time about supposed afrocentrism. She is appealing to the read from the basis of emotions, not facts. Not once does she quote Dr. Winters and show that he is wrong in anything. So I am not sure what any of this has to do with the price of rice in China.
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Old 09-07-2013, 03:48 PM
 
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Yeah, sort of, but so are Australian Aborigines and South Indians. So what?



Historically inaccurate. As early as the 7th century BCE, Ethiopian coastal areas were colonized by spice traders from Asia. From Eritrea, "I can see Asia from my house!", and there was never a lapse in commerce and communications between the Horn of Africa and the Arabian Peninsula, separated by 20 km of water. However, the South Sudan (which separated Ethiopia from Congo) is,and has always been, one of the most difficult geographies in Africa to wander back and forth across. To this day, there is no reliable road.
I'm not saying that there was a lack of contact with Asia. Rather I would argue that the Ethiopian heartland has developed a unique culture due to both its longevity and its relative isolation. Since their society has been in its present location in Africa for over 2000 years, I would call it an African culture and not an offshoot of Asiatic culture.
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Old 09-07-2013, 05:33 PM
 
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How is the writing of a supposed lawyer "an interesting article related to peer reviews"? She babbles for the entire time about supposed afrocentrism. She is appealing to the read from the basis of emotions, not facts. Not once does she quote Dr. Winters and show that he is wrong in anything. So I am not sure what any of this has to do with the price of rice in China.
If all this stuff that Clyde Winters is putting out is true and has been examined and approved by credible archeologist and historians then Clyde Winters is single handedly revolutionizing history. He claims that Black Africans founded the chinese civilization and that the Olmecs were mande speaking Africans. Never mind the fact that the Olmec heads can be matched to the faces of most Mexican Indians or that no mande artifacts have been found in Mexico.


This Mayan boy is a splitting image of an Olmec stone head.

Face of a True Descendant of the Olmec - YouTube

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Old 09-07-2013, 06:10 PM
 
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Yeah, sort of, but so are Australian Aborigines and South Indians. So what?



Historically inaccurate. As early as the 7th century BCE, Ethiopian coastal areas were colonized by spice traders from Asia. From Eritrea, "I can see Asia from my house!", and there was never a lapse in commerce and communications between the Horn of Africa and the Arabian Peninsula, separated by 20 km of water. However, the South Sudan (which separated Ethiopia from Congo) is,and has always been, one of the most difficult geographies in Africa to wander back and forth across. To this day, there is no reliable road.
LOL, Dude how is a person sort of black? I swear you are too entertaining. I guess Barack Obama is sort of Black also, haha

Ok, this is a serious question (im not trolling or anything): is Barack Obama sort of white, or sort of black? In your opinion?
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Old 09-07-2013, 06:20 PM
 
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Except that European colonialism in Africa was a last minute scramble for the remainder of the world that was only really complete at the end of the 19th century. Between 1880 and 1895 Europe went from controlling very little of Africa to controlling almost all of it. Then, 30 years later, colonialism started it's death march. So the Europeans were there just long enough to create a bunch of illogical (future) nation states.
Yeah true dat. But I would say Europeans are still on the continent, but their influence is more than troops on the ground; it is more indirect now. Its what Kwame Nkrumah of Ghana called 'neocolonialism.'
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Old 09-07-2013, 06:36 PM
 
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To Jturr88 and EdwardA, what is your opinion on Arabs being descended from Black Africans? And when I say descended from Black Africans I mean recently descended from Black Africans (last 4000 years); cause if you go back far enough, everybody on earth is descended from Black Africans.
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Old 09-08-2013, 10:13 AM
 
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If all this stuff that Clyde Winters is putting out is true and has been examined and approved by credible archeologist and historians then Clyde Winters is single handedly revolutionizing history. He claims that Black Africans founded the chinese civilization and that the Olmecs were mande speaking Africans. Never mind the fact that the Olmec heads can be matched to the faces of most Mexican Indians or that no mande artifacts have been found in Mexico.


This Mayan boy is a splitting image of an Olmec stone head.


Face of a True Descendant of the Olmec - YouTube
I don't have the time right now. However, the first people in South America seem to have been "negro" of some sort, not the current day "mongloid" people that we see today. Secondly Clyde Winters is not the first people to bring up that the Olmecs may have been African, it was a German researcher. You can watch this video, you will see him speak in his own words, about what he felt about the Olmecs. From there you will have to do your own research into this German researchers findings.


'Olmecs' They Came Before Columbus - Dr ivan Van Sertima, Part 2 - YouTube

Also, this is a short clip but listen to what they say about the oldest skull found in South America


1st ANCIENT AMERICANS Were BLACK! - White Archaeologists Discover - YouTube


I am not saying the Olmecs were African, I don't know and I don't care. But my point in showing this is, you don't know enough about history, researchers or their findings to have a intelligent opinion or conversation and I assure you, it will take more than a half day of google searches, for you to intelligently discuss the topic, because it is very very intricate. You need to know archeological evidence, linguistic evidence, cultural evidence etc etc. That takes years my friend. Thats why there are people with Ph Ds in the subject.

As for taking a statue and pointing to someone today as having the same features, thats not very scientific in approach and doesn't prove much. There are African's with many of these same features, so it is going to take more than that. Unless you have been to Africa, seen all its people and understand physiology, you comparing features like that doesn't mean anything.
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