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Old 10-11-2013, 11:21 AM
 
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That and the Mende people modified Arab letters, creating "Ajami," which means "foreign" in Arabic.
You sound very dumb..Mande script comes from the BC PERIOD Arabs had nothing to do with Africa until 700 A.D. Hence Mande script is an ancient indigenous West African form of writing. Just because Europe came up from handouts doesn't mean that black people did

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That and there was one completely African writing system called Nsibidi that was used by holy men in Cameroon and Nigeria. Some Englishmen said they say entire court records recorded in the script.

Inscribing Meaning: Nsibidi / National Museum of African Art

Nsibidi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Late..already mentioned earlier dumbass!

 
Old 10-11-2013, 02:55 PM
 
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Yeah, but see...that is not right! I'm not about to compromise black African history just because some people cannot accept reality. The ancient Egyptians were black that is a fact and I will not shy away from that proven fact just because some bigots start to feel some type of way about our great achievements and contributions to the World. Same with the Moors. Most of them were in fact black. We have hundreds upon hundreds of clear visual references clearly showing this fact. I will not shy away from the fact either.

Just goes to show how strong racism really is.

Those are all great black African empires and many of which I have not gotten to just yet. In the same way that the ancient Egyptians and the Moors were another great black African peoples. These are facts that needs no reluctance to be told.
I actually agree with you on some points, at least partly.....

I think Ancient Egyptians were a mixed race back then, as many could be today: they painted themselves darker than “Libyans” (North Africans) or “Asians” (Middle Easterners) but lighter than most Nubians (Sudanese).... And they traced their origins to “the Mountains of the Moon”, located around Uganda. Many were light-skinned as generally Lower Egyptians are today, and many were dark-skinned as in many Upper Egyptians.

But it’s just that the label “black” has so many connotations, and I don’t believe all Ancient Egyptians would fit under that term, but some did.

I don’t believe the Moors were all black, though a small portion were. Most, especially the Almohads were probably lighter skinned Berbers because they came from regions of North Africa that were/are. Some of the Moors were black West Africans who joined the movement, and some, especially the Almoravids who came from further south, could have been partly mixed.

But the majority of the Moors were not black, and I seriously doubt they would have liked to be called such. Calling them “black” would be misleading because black ancestry is only part of the full makeup.

Anyways......

No, it’s not right that certain parts of African history is denied. Or that discussions often turn to who is truly “black” or not. I don’t like any of that stuff either. It’s boring. You don’t see it happening for European, Asian or Native American history.

Lastly, I find it more interesting to focus on sub-Saharan civilizations because no one ever talks about them and they’re ignored in World History. I have tons of books on them, and they deserve to be studied just as much as other regions. I’ll post on the sub-Saharan kingdoms a bit later when I have the time. And I’ll make a short list of recommended books.

In the meantime, here’s a post I made in the other thread about the Benin Empire:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/31490216-post209.html
 
Old 10-11-2013, 04:50 PM
 
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I think Ancient Egyptians were a mixed race back then, as many could be today:
They were black (NOT mixed):
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"The race and origins of the Ancient Egyptians have been a source of considerable debate. Scholars in the late and early 20th centuries rejected any considerations of the Egyptians as black Africans by defining the Egyptians either as non-African (i.e Near Easterners or Indo-Aryan), or as members of a separate brown (as opposed to a black) race, or as a mixture of lighter-skinned peoples with black Africans. In the later half of the 20th century, Afrocentric scholars have countered this Eurocentric and often racist perspective by characterizing the Egyptians as black and African....."

"Physical anthropologists are increasingly concluding that racial definitions are the culturally defined product of selective perception and should be replaced in biological terms by the study of populations and clines. Consequently, any characterization of race of the ancient Egyptians depend on modern cultural definitions, not on scientific study. Thus, by modern American standards it is reasonable to characterize the Egyptians as 'blacks' [i.e in a social sense] while acknowledging the scientific evidence for the physical diversity of Africans." Source: Donald Redford (2001) The Oxford encyclopedia of ancient Egypt, Volume 3. Oxford University Press. p. 27-28
...white folk lets get over this

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Many were light-skinned as generally Lower Egyptians are today, and many were dark-skinned as in many Upper Egyptians.
You have not a shred of evidence from those same murals that you reference signaling a skin color gradient from south to north, so please don't assert it. Contrarily I have biological confirming that the ancient Egyptians both northern and southern were tropically adapted, which based on ecological principal means that they have black skin:


Clearly the ancient Egyptians belonged to great big African family.

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But it’s just that the label “black” has so many connotations, and I don’t believe all Ancient Egyptians would fit under that term, but some did.
And have provided the works of folks much more qualified than yourself (scholars at Oxford) who state that the general Ancient Egyptians populace most certainly fits under the term "black". I have genetic evidence proving that the every pharaoh tested was a Sub Saharan African, so please spare the typical Eurocentric tongue tactics used to try to run away from this clear fact:




These were black people..let's get over it!

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I don’t believe the Moors were all black, though a small portion were.
You're comical! I never said that "all" the Moors were black. I have provided sufficient enough pictorial evidence confirming that the Moors were generally typified as black Africans. of the 900,000 Moors that invaded Europe less then 100,000 were from Middle East.

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Most, especially the Almohads were probably lighter skinned Berbers because they came from regions of North Africa that were/are.
"Light skinned" that ain't how the Spaniards described Moors:

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[T]he reins of their (Moors) horses were as fire, their faces black as pitch, their eyes shone like burning candles, their horses were swift as leopards and the riders fiercer than a wolf in a sheepfold at night . . . The noble Goths [the German rulers of Spain to whom Roderick belonged] were broken in an hour, quicker than tongue can tell. Oh luckless Spain! Quoted in Edward Scobie, The Moors and Portugal's Global Expansion, in Golden Age of the Moor, ed Ivan Van Sertima, US, Transaction Publishers, 1992, p.336
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Lastly, I find it more interesting to focus on sub-Saharan civilizations because no one ever talks about them and they’re ignored in World History. I have tons of books on them, and they deserve to be studied just as much as other regions. I’ll post on the sub-Saharan kingdoms a bit later when I have the time. And I’ll make a short list of recommended books.
That's fine, but stop trying to black people our major (who highly influenced non Africans) historic civilizations either.
 
Old 10-11-2013, 05:55 PM
 
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They were black (NOT mixed):


...white folk lets get over this



You have not a shred of evidence from those same murals that you reference signaling a skin color gradient from south to north, so please don't assert it. Contrarily I have biological confirming that the ancient Egyptians both northern and southern were tropically adapted, which based on ecological principal means that they have black skin:


Clearly the ancient Egyptians belonged to great big African family.



And have provided the works of folks much more qualified than yourself (scholars at Oxford) who state that the general Ancient Egyptians populace most certainly fits under the term "black". I have genetic evidence proving that the every pharaoh tested was a Sub Saharan African, so please spare the typical Eurocentric tongue tactics used to try to run away from this clear fact:




These were black people..let's get over it!



You're comical! I never said that "all" the Moors were black. I have provided sufficient enough pictorial evidence confirming that the Moors were generally typified as black Africans. of the 900,000 Moors that invaded Europe less then 100,000 were from Middle East.



"Light skinned" that ain't how the Spaniards described Moors:





That's fine, but stop trying to black people our major (who highly influenced non Africans) historic civilizations either.
I don't know where you get your assumptions, but I'm a black man, of Caribbean descent (Guyanese). So calling me "white folk" or "eurocentric" is ridiculous. I didn't mention it before because I didn't think it was relevant, but you made it so. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm white.

Furthermore, I see that this thread has unsurprisingly turned into a pointless debate on “who is black”, like I expected. So I’m not going to waste my time here. If others want to argue about Moors and Egyptians, you can do so with them.

I tried to warn you that your thread will bomb if you keep going on and on about race..... Well, keep this up and no one here will ever learn about African history.
 
Old 10-11-2013, 06:01 PM
 
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How are Afro-centric views of Egypt any superior than Euro-centric/White Supremicist ones? Do you get some sort of ride out of Ancient Egyptians being "Black"? Some of the posts in this thread are nothing more than a fallacious exercise in racial empowerment and racialism. It took a couple of centuries to purge racism and racialism from cultural and historical studies in academia, but here we have you clowns engaging in it with glee.

"LOOK GUYS, THEY ARE BLACK!"

Whoopidy-****ing-do.
 
Old 10-11-2013, 06:15 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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How are Afro-centric views of Egypt any superior than Euro-centric/White Supremicist ones? Do you get some sort of ride out of Ancient Egyptians being "Black"? Some of the posts in this thread are nothing more than a fallacious exercise in racial empowerment and racialism. It took a couple of centuries to purge racism and racialism from cultural and historical studies in academia, but here we have you clowns engaging in it with glee.

"LOOK GUYS, THEY ARE BLACK!"

Whoopidy-****ing-do.
So I guess taking a race of people from their homelands and enslaving them robbing them of their language, religion and culture is fine. So now you have generations of uneducated people who have been brainwashed into thinking that they were nothing more than slaves and had no past other than subjection and then turn around and call them ignorant. Now some real education comes around and through your own ignorance you want deride what is proven to be true. Apparently knowledge is a threat to the perpetually otuse and you and those like you thrive in that type of environment.

"It is better to use your head for something other then a hatrack and an ear divider"-------Simonism
 
Old 10-11-2013, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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Originally Posted by TylerJAX View Post
How are Afro-centric views of Egypt any superior than Euro-centric/White Supremicist ones? Do you get some sort of ride out of Ancient Egyptians being "Black"? Some of the posts in this thread are nothing more than a fallacious exercise in racial empowerment and racialism. It took a couple of centuries to purge racism and racialism from cultural and historical studies in academia, but here we have you clowns engaging in it with glee.

"LOOK GUYS, THEY ARE BLACK!"

Whoopidy-****ing-do.
Your not getting the point. In regards to Egypt, how can you label the OP as Afro-centric when he is talking about Ancient African civilizations?
It has nothing to with racial empowerment as the OP is just providing informative information. It's posters like you who get too emotional whenever someone wants to talk about African culture or if someone even mentions the word "Egypt".
 
Old 10-11-2013, 06:24 PM
 
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Your not getting the point. How can you call the OP Afro-centric when he is talking about Ancient African civilizations? It has nothing to with racial empowerment as the OP is just providing informative information. It's posters like you who get too emotional whenever someone wants to talk about African culture or if someone even mentions the word "Egypt".
Re-read my post. No where did I mention the OP. This is the second time that you've either displayed reading comprehension issues with my posts or attempted to put words in my mouth(I'm not sure which).
 
Old 10-11-2013, 06:27 PM
 
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Re-read my post. No where did I mention the OP. This is the second time that you've displayed reading comprehension issues with my posts.
Right.... lets ignore a huge chunk of the thread that the OP kindly provided for all of us. That would be like ignoring the elephant in the room.

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Old 10-11-2013, 08:22 PM
 
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I don't know where you get your assumptions, but I'm a black man, of Caribbean descent (Guyanese).
Your approach in this thread was the general approach taken by many of our white brothers. By that I mean barging into the thread and ignoring the INFORMATION in the huge post about ancient Egypt's racial affinity on the first page. You then proceeded to assert your opinion which is completely contrary to the evidence presented and blatantly false. You then insinuate based on your false opinion of ancient Egypt that blacks should not ever mention Egypt amongst the ranks of great black African civilizations...and I'm saying **** that!

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Furthermore, I see that this thread has unsurprisingly turned into a pointless debate on “who is black”, like I expected.
Yeah because of YOU!

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So I’m not going to waste my time here. If others want to argue about Moors and Egyptians, you can do so with them.
Here is a famous Guyanese scholar that you study and absorb:

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