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Old 10-11-2013, 08:43 PM
 
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Your approach in this thread was the general approach taken by many of our white brothers. By that I mean barging into the thread and ignoring the INFORMATION in the huge post about ancient Egypt's racial affinity on the first page. You then proceeded to assert your opinion which is completely contrary to the evidence presented and blatantly false. You then insinuate based on your false opinion of ancient Egypt that blacks should not ever mention Egypt amongst the ranks of great black African civilizations...and I'm saying **** that!

Yeah because of YOU!

Here is a famous Guyanese scholar that you study and absorb:

My point was that bringing up Egyptians and Moors shifts the focus off of history and turns into a debate on race. Clearly you missed that.

And don't blame this on me, there were posters arguing with you about Moors long before I said anything.

 
Old 10-11-2013, 08:46 PM
 
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My point was that bringing up Egyptians and Moors shifts the focus off of history and turns into a debate on race.
Na I'm telling black African history...RAW! I'm well aware that some folks can't handle the truth, but that ain't my problem.
 
Old 10-11-2013, 10:04 PM
 
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You sound very dumb..Mande script comes from the BC PERIOD Arabs had nothing to do with Africa until 700 A.D. Hence Mande script is an ancient indigenous West African form of writing. Just because Europe came up from handouts doesn't mean that black people did
First of all, I wasn't saying Mende script wasn't African. No need to utilize an ad hominem attack. Second, Mende script was created in 1921, far after Nsibidi and Ajami script, which is unrelated.

Mende syllabary, pronunciationa and language

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Late..already mentioned earlier dumbass!
Considering how much is on this thread, that it is not unreasonable that someone would miss such a thing.

Honestly, if someone goes onto your thread about ancient Africa and DEFENDS THE THESIS OF YOUR THREAD (i.e, that Africans were much more advanced than the white power systems gave them credit for and that the "mud hut" myth was just that, a myth) I would expect you to have more manners.

Honestly, you are no longer acting like an African but now you are acting like a six letter word that starts with an "N" and ends with an "r".
 
Old 10-11-2013, 10:11 PM
 
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My point was that bringing up Egyptians and Moors shifts the focus off of history and turns into a debate on race. Clearly you missed that.

And don't blame this on me, there were posters arguing with you about Moors long before I said anything.
I agree.

The Moors were black and non-black, the Egyptians were darker skinned North Africans but not, by their nature, sub-Saharan African. Why is that so hard to accept?

This is how the Egyptians saw themselves next to a Libyan, a Persian and a Nubian:



Nubians of course were black, and Libyans and Persians were basically white. Egyptians looked like modern Yemeni people:



But I agree: why bring up Egyptians as being black? That throws the baby out of the bathwater when you try educating people about Songhai, Ashanti, Mali, Kanem and the Dahomey Empire, which we know were black.
 
Old 10-11-2013, 10:19 PM
 
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How are Afro-centric views of Egypt any superior than Euro-centric/White Supremicist ones? Do you get some sort of ride out of Ancient Egyptians being "Black"? Some of the posts in this thread are nothing more than a fallacious exercise in racial empowerment and racialism. It took a couple of centuries to purge racism and racialism from cultural and historical studies in academia, but here we have you clowns engaging in it with glee.

"LOOK GUYS, THEY ARE BLACK!"

Whoopidy-****ing-do.
I agree 100%.

People insisting the Egyptians were black are just as bad as the white supremacist/Eurocentrist insisting that Buddha was white, the Chinese civilization was the result of Tocharian (who they say were white) colonization and that the first Americans were Europeans from Aryan Atlantis

Yes, Egyptians were African. But Africa is the most diverse continent on Earth. The Khoi and San people aren't "black" in the sense of being of Bantu or Nilotic origin. Madagascar is filled with Polynesians who got there before the Bantus and north Africa is home to Arabs and Berbers.

If you mean ancient black civilizations, than you mean Mali, Ashanti, Dahomey, Songhai, Kanem, Kano and the rest.

If the point is to dispel the "mud hut" myth, than talking about Egypt is not the way to do it.
 
Old 10-12-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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First of all, I wasn't saying Mende script wasn't African. No need to utilize an ad hominem attack. Second, Mende script was created in 1921, far after Nsibidi and Ajami script, which is unrelated. \
Again you sound ****ing stupid..:



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Researchers claim that the inscriptions are along the chariot routes and other sites in Dar Tichitt.. This suggest that some of the inscriptions may date back to 1500-2000BC, this is the date for the appearance of the horse in the Sahara.(See: Nicole Lambert, Medinet Sbat et la Protohistoire de Mauritanie Occidentale, Antiquites Africaines, 4(1970),pp.15-62;Nicole Lambert, L'apparition du cuivre dans les civilisations prehistoriques. In C.H. Perrot et al Le Sol, la Parole et 'Ecrit (Paris: Societe Francaise d'Histoire d'Outre Mer) pp.213-226;R. Mauny, Tableau Geographique de l'Ouest Afrique Noire. Histoire et Archeologie (Fayard);R.A. Kea, Expansion and Contractions: World-Historical Change and the Western Sudan World-System (1200/1000BC-1200/1250A.D.) Journal of World-Systems Reserach, 3(2004), pp.723-816
Mande script is what is seen throughout the settlement of Dar Tichitt (ancient Ghana), which is a B.C. civilization. Stop doing this to yourself...smh

Mende syllabary, pronunciationa and language

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Old 10-12-2013, 12:24 PM
 
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I agree.

The Moors were black and non-black, the Egyptians were darker skinned North Africans but not, by their nature, sub-Saharan African. Why is that so hard to accept?

This is how the Egyptians saw themselves next to a Libyan, a Persian and a Nubian:



Nubians of course were black, and Libyans and Persians were basically white. Egyptians looked like modern Yemeni people:



But I agree: why bring up Egyptians as being black? That throws the baby out of the bathwater when you try educating people about Songhai, Ashanti, Mali, Kanem and the Dahomey Empire, which we know were black.
Guess they couldn't handle the truth.



I guess it's in our blood:





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Old 10-12-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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The Forgotten Garamantes Civilization (Taureg):









Royal cemeteries



Ancient Garamante script:





PIONEERED BRAIN SURGERY (along with the Nubians)

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The Lost Civilizations That Pioneered Skull Surgery

People have been punching holes in each other's skulls, for medicinal purposes or magic, since at least the middle part of the Stone Age. Now, researchers have found what may be the first evidence this complex surgical operation took place in the lost civilizations in the Sahara and Nubia, too.

The surgical procedure known as trepanation is arguably the oldest known medical operation in history, with the earliest known evidence for it found dating to about 12,000 BC in Morocco. A portion of the skull was removed for therapy or thaumaturgy — for instance, to reduce pressure within the skull, or to release evil spirits.

Scientists now reveal the Garamantians — a lost civilization in what is now southwest Libya — apparently practiced trepanation, the first time the operation has been seen in the Sahara. The Garamantians, named after their capital, Garama, flourished in the harsh central Sahara for nearly 1,500 years between 1,000 BC and 700 AD. They introduced key innovations to the region, including cities, irrigated farming, trade across the Sahara and a hierarchical, probably slave-owning society.

Archaeologists digging near Garama found three male skulls with signs of trepanning, dating from approximately 1 to 700 AD. The regular shape of all these holes suggests they were made intentionally, as do scrape marks seen in certain cases. The location of most of these marks on the left side suggest they might have been caused as the result of violence with right-handed opponents.

All these patients appeared to have survived the surgery, given the presence of newly formed bone in these holes. This suggests the Garamantians had "knowledge of complex surgical procedures," researchers said in the International Journal of Osteoarchaeology.

Archaeologists have also discovered trepanation in the ancient Nubian kingdom of Kerma. The ancient Nubians have long been thought of as rivals to the more prominent Egyptians who lay to the north of their ever changing borders. The close proximity and interaction of these two civilizations have led to the notion that Nubians copied the traditions of the ancient Egyptians, but this new find suggests the Nubians may have surpassed the Egyptians in some areas of technology and medicine.

The Kerma civilization, which dated between 2,500 and 1,500 BC, was located in what is considered to be the most fertile area along the Nile River south of Thebes. It served as the major middleman for trade between Nubian lands and the Egyptian empire.

One skull from Kerma, probably dating to between 1750 and 1550 BC, had a dime-sized circular hole with clear evidence of healing along its inside edge, the first confirmed Nubian case of trepanation to date. Similar holes have been seen on pyramids from the Egyptian Old Kingdom, suggesting a drill was used here, of the kind to hollow out stone sarcophagi.

"If this is true, it would mean that the Nubians had taken an architectural tool, which was probably introduced to them by the Egyptians years before, and adapted it for a much more sophisticated purpose. This would then imply extremely innovative capabilities and an outstanding intellect on the part of the Nubians," the researchers wrote in the International Journal of Osteoarchaeology.
Oh and just to reaffirm they were black Africans as well:

 
Old 10-12-2013, 07:55 PM
 
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Again you sound ****ing stupid..:



Mande script is what is seen throughout the settlement of Dar Tichitt (ancient Ghana), which is a B.C. civilization. Stop doing this to yourself...smh

Mende syllabary, pronunciationa and language



From your own link:

"The Mende syllabary was invented in 1921 by Kisimi Kamara (ca. 1890-1962) of Sierra Leone. Seeing how the British managed to take over his country, Kisimi concluded that their power was partly a result of their literacy."

And those pictographs at Tichitt are proto-writing, not a script.

Akan symbols are similarly a form of proto-writing.
 
Old 10-12-2013, 08:07 PM
 
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Na I'm telling black African history...RAW! I'm well aware that some folks can't handle the truth, but that ain't my problem.
The truth is that Africans did develop some great civilizations, but as a result of isolation and lack of contact with other societies, they didn't have a chance to keep up with Asia or Europe. The result is that Africans were overwhelmed by the superior fire power of the Europeans, the result of their 2,000 year head start using Middle Eastern crops and Asians and Arab technology.

That, and the little details of malaria preventing Africans from living near the water and having more trade with peoples with guns, and the fact that horses can't survive in the tropics, resulted in Africans having a much harder time of building a civilization.

The truth, minus vulgarity or tangent pictures, is clearly spelled out here:
Guns, Germs, and Steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If only Africa had more animals worthy of domestication and calmer waters, none of this would have ever happened...if the Sahara was an inland ocean and not a desert, Africa could have had its own Rome that used this southern Mediterranean to conquer and bring advanced technology to all corners. And Africa could have had its own calm body to perfect ship making and explore the seas, just as the Europeans had with the Mediterranean.

Africans lost the battle of civilizations, that is the cold truth...but it is also the truth that it wasn't their fault that geography cursed them.
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