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Old 10-12-2013, 08:10 PM
 
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from your own link
Actually that's YOUR link that I forgot to delete before the 90 min mark. Oh wait or did you not know that it was your own damn source

 
Old 10-12-2013, 09:07 PM
 
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The truth is that Africans did develop some great civilizations, but as a result of isolation and lack of contact with other societies, they didn't have a chance to keep up with Asia or Europe.
As a result of agriculture being brought up to Europe from the black Natufanians...Europeans learned how to feed themselves:



As you should know agriculture is center of all civilization...no farming/domesticates no civilization and that's just the basics.

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The result is that Africans were overwhelmed by the superior fire power of the Europeans, the result of their 2,000 year head start using Middle Eastern crops and Asians and Arab technology.
Before Europeans and Arabs obtained their weaponry as a result of Chinese gun powder (along with a laundry of other contributions that the black Moors gave them under their 700 year rule) both the Romans and the Arabs met there fate when they crossed the Elephantine to the obtain the known source of the Egyptian gold and ivory because of these people:

The noted best archers on Earth Nubian archers (hence Ta-Seti):



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A number of Meroitic queens called Ka'andakes (Candaces) ruled Nubia-Kush just before the birth of Christ. Candace Amanirenas and her son Prince Akinidad along with the Meroitic Army kept the Romans out of Nubia-Kush. In this scene, they are witnessing the burning of the Roman Garrison in Aswan. Meroitic-Kush never became part of the Roman empire. The formidable leader greatly impressed classical writers, who mistook the royal title of Candace for a personal name. - Reference and photo from Splendors of the Past: Lost Cities of the Ancient World, National Geographic Society, 1981, page 171-173
and here is the article on the Arabs multiple defeats and eventual truce with ancient Nubia:

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The third major opponent to confront the fighting men of Nubia was the Arabs, who had overrun Egypt and large parts of the Mideast. For almost 600 years, the powerful bowmen of the region created a barrier for Muslim expansion into the northeast of the African continent, fighting off multiple invasions and assaults with stinging swarms of arrows. One modern historian (Ayalon 2000) likens Nubian resistance to that of a dam, holding back the Muslim tide for several centuries. According to Ayalon:

The absolutely unambiguous evidence and unanimous agreement of the early Muslim sources is that the Arabs abrupt stop was caused solely and exclusively by the superb military resistance of the Christian Nubians. .. the Nubian Dam. The array of those early sources includes the two most important chronicles of early Islam, al-Tabari (d. 926) and al-Yaqubi (d. 905); the two best extant books on the Muslim conquests, al-Baladhuri (d. 892) and Ibn al-A tham al-Kufi (d. 926); the most central encyclopedic work of al-Masudi (d.956); and the two best early sources dedicated specifically to Egypt, Ibn Abd al-Hakim (d. 871) and al-Kindi (961).. All of the above-cited sources attribute Nubian success to their superb archery.. To this central factor should be added the combination of the Nubians' military prowess and Christian zeal; their acquaintance of the terrain; the narrowness of the front line that theuy had to defend; and, quite possibly, the series of cataracts situated at their back, and other natural obstacles.. The Nubians fought the Muslims very fiercely. WHen they encountered them they showered them with arrows, until all of they were wounded and they withdrew with many wounds and gouged eyes. Therefore they were called "the marksmen of the eye."

Yet another notes:
The awe and respect that the Muslims had for their Nubian adversaries are reflected in the fact that even a rather late Umayyad caliph, Umar b Abd al- Aziz (Umar II 717-720), is said to have ratified the Nubian-Muslim treaty out of fear for the safety of the Muslims (he ratified the peace treaty out of consideration for the Muslims and out of [a desire] to spare their lives..
The Nubians constituted an "African front" that barred Islam's spread, along with others in Central Asia, India and the Anatolian/Mediterranean zone. Whereas the Ialamic military expansion began with swift conquests across Byzantium, Central Asia, the Maghrib and Spain, such quick triumphs foundered at the Sudanic barrier.Internal divisions, along with infiltration by nomads were to weaken the "Nubian dam" however and eventually it gave way to Muslim expansion from Egypt and elsewhere in the region.
Don't get it twisted! The only thing that tipped the scale was GUNS, NOT some "superior" fighting skills or "brilliant" military tactics..just guns. Guns essentially make weak people strong and as a result of their early advantage on guns the West rules the World.

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If only Africa had more animals worthy of domestication and calmer waters, none of this would have ever happened...if
Shut the Hell up...we domesticated ****ing elephants in Nubia and used them to trample our enemies.

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Africa could have had its own Rome that used this southern Mediterranean to conquer and bring advanced technology to all corners.
We did that and actually thousands of years before Europeans even knew how to talk to one another. Ask Kemet's first king Menes or his predecessor DJoser:




We then helped the swarthy mulattoes of the Mediterranean set up civilization in Greece:





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And Africa could have had its own calm body to perfect ship making and explore the seas, just as the Europeans had with the Mediterranean.
Don't forget we had ships thousands upon thousands of years before Europeans knew how to walk out of them caves:



And with these ships (which have proven to be more then capable of voyage across the Atlantic and back) we help set up shop over in America:

That's right:




Complete with East African straight back braids


Olmec Terracotta

Hell we even taught them how to build pyramids just like us:



Hell we even brought us back some COCAINE AND TOBACCO see.

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The recent findings of cocaine, nicotine, and hashish in Egyptian mummies by Balabanova et. al. have been criticized on grounds that: contamination of the mummies may have occurred, improper techniques may have been used, chemical decomposition may have produced the compounds in question, recent mummies of drug users were mistakenly evaluated, that no similar cases are known of such compounds in long-dead bodies, and especially that pre-Columbian transoceanic voyages are highly speculative. These criticisms are each discussed in turn. Balabanova et. al. are shown to have used and confirmed their findings with accepted methods. The possibility of the compounds being byproducts of decomposition is shown to be without precedent and highly unlikely. The possibility that the researchers made evaluations from faked mummies of recent drug users is shown to be highly unlikely in almost all cases. Several additional cases of identified American drugs in mummies are discussed. Additionally, it is shown that significant evidence exists for contact with the Americas in pre-Columbian times. It is determined that the original findings are supported by substantial evidence despite the initial criticisms.
UCR.EDU


Yep we beat Columbus (and I think the Chinese did too).


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Africans lost the battle of civilizations, that is the cold truth...but it is also the truth that it wasn't their fault that geography cursed them.
Oh wait I must have missed something, has suddenly stopped turning? If I was a southern European during 900 A.D. under black Moorish domination would that have been indication that my people could never rise again? I don't think so and as a matter of fact I think that they rose out of the dark ages for almost 1,000 years (with guidance of the black and Arab Moors) and immediately started colonizing the world. How about this:


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[SIZE=3]Africa Poised For Unprecedented, Long-Term Economic Growth - Harvard Business Review[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]International Business Times
13 September 2013[/SIZE]






Africa possesses all the ingredients to be the planet’s dominant economic engine for decades, perhaps the entire 21st century, according to demographers, economists and industrial and agricultural experts.

Those ingredients are already lifting a continent once ignored by all but novelists and revolutionaries into the big leagues of global economic dynamism.

Consider the following: Africa’s economy is growing faster than the economies of every other continent, and about one-third of Africa’s 54 nations have a yearly gain in gross domestic product of more than 6 percent.

What’s driving the growth? The convergence of seven potent forces, Jonathan Berman wrote in the October issue of the Harvard Business Review.


Cities. Compare Africa with India, the world’s second-largest country. The percentage of Africans living in cities already exceeds the percentage of people in the subcontinent who live in cities. By 2030, half of all Africans are expected to be living in cities. Africa’s middle class is larger than India’s. Africa has 52 cities with at least one million people, the same number Europe has.

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Stability. Coups are declining and market forces, which the continent is progressively embracing, are tamping down inflation and cutting sovereign debt. Global bond traders are increasingly buying up African government bonds for their high yields and relatively strong ratings. As can be seen in the graph below, the number of coups has plummeted since the 1990s. According to the Polity IV Index, which gauges the level of a nation’s democracy, Africa’s ranking has more than doubled since the 1990s. One reason Zimbabwe’s president is so frequently in the news is because he's increasingly an exception among the continent’s heads of state, a relic of the last century.



Trade. Intra-African trade is embryonic, with just 11 percent of the continent’s trade occurring inside its own borders. But that's changing: today there are five identifiable, active and growing trade blocs on the continent. In sum, Africa has a $2 trillion economy.

___________


People. The continent will soon have the planet’s biggest workforce. It will grow to 163 million in this decade and by 2035 Africa will have more workers than China. By the middle of this century, Africa will be home to 25 percent of the world’s workers. Further, those workers will be supporting far fewer elderly dependents than workers in China, Europe and elsewhere.



Education. Africa’s booming population is benefiting from robust government commitment to education. Overall, 20 percent of government spending goes to education – about twice the level of nations in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. Primary school enrollment climbed to 76 percent in 2008, a 14 point gain in a decade, while secondary school enrollment rose 10 percent. Achievement levels still lag those of students in developed economies, but the gap is closing.

“Today you’ll be in negotiation with somebody in Africa and learn the man’s been to Oxford, Cambridge and Harvard and speaks six languages,” Aidan Heavey, CEO of Ireland’s Tullow Oil, said. “I barely speak English.”

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Smartphones. Cell phone use is exploding. The mobile industry’s penetration shot up from 2 percent in 2000 to 78 percent today, and it is expected to soar to 84 percent by 2015. Put differently, mobile Internet traffic in sub-Saharan Africa will jump 25-fold in the next four years.

“Before mobile phones, Nigeria had 600,000 lines for 120 million people,” Nhleko said. “You had to wait months and spend thousands of dollars. Today, there are over 70 million lines. Evolution is an understatement.”

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Farmland. While awareness that Africa holds vast amounts of oil, gold, platinum and numerous industrial metals is widespread, it is little known that Africa holds 60 percent of the world’s uncultivated cropland. Latin America has 300 million hectares (741 million acres) of uncultivated cropland; Africa has 590 hectares (1.46 billion acres) of uncultivated cropland. Only 24 percent of the continent’s growth from 2000-2008 came from mineral and petroleum extraction, but that 24 percent is drawing huge investments. Petroleum discoveries in Mozambique, Tanzania and Uganda alone are expected to attract tens of billions of dollars in foreign direct investment.


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Old 10-12-2013, 09:48 PM
 
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^

Here's what the Olmecs likely looked liked...Indians:



Face of a True Descendant of the Olmec - YouTube





Here's the deal on Egyptian and American pyramids:



Why Ancient Pyramids Are Similar - YouTube
 
Old 10-13-2013, 01:45 PM
 
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^Here's what the Olmecs likely looked liked...Indians:
Get the Hell out of here with that! Not all but many of those are clearly depicting ****ing black Africans (who look just like the ancient Greek and Egyptian bust and vases posted above), which is why when the first Olmec head that was stumbled upon in the 1858 was declared as clear evidence of a black African presence in the early Americas by Tres Zapotes right then and there. He like everybody else with two functioning eyes can easily note the differences between Native Americans and black Africans in ways that include more than simply skin color. So no that comparison is utter bull**** and you know it. Do you even know how their Terracottas look like (just look at the one I posted). The back of those heads even have straightback AFRICAN BRAIDS... (which is NEVER mentioned):



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"It is indisputable that in very ancient times the Negro race occupied our territory [Mexico]." -- Vicente Riva Palacio, historian, 1870
"Indisputable" only to those who can view the clear evidence objectively.

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Here's the deal on Egyptian and American pyramids:
Your video makes no mention whatsoever of the Olmec civilization or anything really relevant to this discussion. As I was saying it has been proven by Ivan Van Sertima that the Olmec pyramid has an IDENTICAL base as that of the step pyramids of ancient Egypt:



Watch this video and don't deprive yourself of this knowledge of the truth. A lot of the time Western HIStory is only the victors (Europeans) story. The thing is I don't expect to change the minds of these types of people (not trying to stereotype or anything but it is what it is):



Because this:



IS SET IN STONE IN THEIR MINDS. As shown even amongst some early Western scholars (with the anti-negro rhetoric of the time) this truth was proclaimed, Van Sertima put it to the forefront.

My mistake earlier I uploaded the wrong pyramid comparison (took late to edit when I'd seen):


Olmec Pyramids
 
Old 10-13-2013, 04:02 PM
 
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The back of those heads even have straightback AFRICAN BRAIDS... (which is NEVER mentioned)
Native American groups wore multiple braids also. Nubians,who Ivan Van Sertima says the Olmec heads are depicting,didn't wear just a seven braid hairstyle. Nubains wore full headed braids.


This was typical of Nubian braids,full headed:









Native American mummies from the Andes with multiple braids. Multiple braids weren't just an African thing:


 
Old 10-13-2013, 05:18 PM
 
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Native American groups wore multiple braids also.
STRAIGHT BACK BRAIDS/CORNROLLS are kidding me? The braiding style seen on the back of that Olmec head is East African (my aunt is a African hairdresser) and that indisputable. Here is what a hair school has to say about the origins of braids.

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This was typical of Nubian braids,full headed:
You probably don't know anything about Nubian braids besides this image that you googled:






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Native American mummies from the Andes with multiple braids. Multiple braids weren't just an African thing:
Those are micro braids...A black African braiding style:



I mean is it really that hard to fathom what happened here:


 
Old 10-13-2013, 05:52 PM
 
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Some Meso-American experts respond to Ivan Van Sertima.


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The Colossal Olmec Heads

The main pieces of evidence presented by Van Sertima are the monumental carved basalt Olmec heads. To a lay observer, it seems at first glance that these grey, "black"-looking heads, with their thick lips and flat noses, must be images of Africans. This impression makes the other claims appear to be support for an obvious conclusion. However, this is a fundamental error. The people claimed by Van Sertima and other Afrocentrists to have influenced the Olmecs (and to be the models for the heads) are Nubians or Egyptians, that is, North and East Africans, whereas the slave ancestors of African-Americans came primarily from tropical West Africa. These groups are very different and do not look alike. Flat noses are particularly inappropriate as racial markers, because the shape of the nose is primarily a function of climatic factors such as the ambient temperature and the moisture content of the air...

Hall of Maat - Robbing Native American Cultures: Van Sertima's Afrocentricity and the Olmecs
 
Old 10-13-2013, 07:32 PM
 
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Hmmm I posted a picture of the Atlantic Ocean currents clearly showing where you'll end up if you take sail from the Africa (the gulf of Mexico go figure). I even reviewed my post and now this little Asian girl who's strapped shows up lol.

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Old 10-13-2013, 07:42 PM
 
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Some Meso-American experts respond to Ivan Van Sertima.
I in no way shape or form am arguing that white scholars in general can accept such an argument as someone "discovering" America before the "brilliant" Christopher Columbus (or the Aryan Nordic Viking).

And the most renown Meso-American historian of the time and who actually participated in the excavation of the first head had this to say about Sertima's work:

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"“Van Sertima's work,” Dr. Weiant writes, “is a summary of six or seven years of meticulous research based upon archaeology, egyptology, African history, oceanography, astronomy, botany, rare Arabic and Chinese manuscripts, the letters and journals of early American explorers, and the observations of physical anthropologists...As one who has been immersed in Mexican archaeology for some forty years, and who participated in the excavation of the first giant heads, I must confess, I am thoroughly convinced of the soundness of Van Sertima’s conclusions.

—Dr. Clarence Weiant Letter to the New York Times, May 1, 1977"


The only reason that the NYtimes allowed this piece in the editorial was simply because of who this man is to the field of Native American studies. Otherwise they would have let ANYONE (degree in Meso-American studies OR NOT) pettily trash Sertima's conclusions. As I said earlier I don't expect too many European like folk to accept this....but then again who cares if they don't? They have lied more about history and any other group of people (google the Piltdown man). I'm just educating my own people of our true history, let the haters hate.
 
Old 10-13-2013, 08:43 PM
 
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One of Van Sertima's biggest problems was the timeline issue.

Van Sertima believes the Africans among the Olmecs were the Nubians of the 25th dynasty of Egypt. These Nubians ruled Egypt starting around 760 BC. The Olmec heads date to before 900 BC. So the heads were already created before Van Sertima's Egyptian-Nubians came along. Even Clyde Winters acknowledges this timeline issue which is why he believes the Olmec heads represent west African Mande people who came later,anyway...
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