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Old 07-26-2018, 06:22 AM
 
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You keep trying to turn the conversation back to the poor by making inflammatory statements. You've seen this get a reaction before, so you're trying to push that button again. I'm here to tell you it won't work. You should probably try this tactic on someone who doesn't see your pattern. Now, back to the topic of discussion...
I put her on ignore. She has no real knowledge of Africans or African Americans, and cannot discuss what happens when Africans meet African Americans as she isn't a member of either group. Just ignore her period.
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Old 07-26-2018, 07:34 AM
 
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I put her on ignore. She has no real knowledge of Africans or African Americans, and cannot discuss what happens when Africans meet African Americans as she isn't a member of either group. Just ignore her period.
If you put me on ignore (which I appreciate, since you have nothing to discuss with me except your prejudices (that go to the extent of not believing a person like me exists in reality, because I do not conform to your prejudicial images of people!) and your insults, then I would also appreciate it if you do not bring me up in any discussion, this one or any other. Thanks.

Incidentally, since you can relate only to "group thinking" and cannot understand that a person can think with their own head and outside of any group, my thinking about the social-economic issues that you and the other person brought up on this thread (not I) is closest to economically conservative/socially liberal libertarianism. The economically conservative/liberal lifestyle thinking is most prevalent (50%) in people of all ages in my own profession (which is not composed of uneducated redneck Trumpists, but of people with the highest education/training you can attain), and I notice that it is increasingly common among millennials at any educational level - doubt that generation will tolerate welfare taxation of their earnings that are already substantially reduced compared to recent generations of Americans. Lastly, the top executive government of the US is still in the end elected by the Electoral College (composed of well educated and well informed people - neither clueless rednecks who want a theocracy without personal freedoms, nor clueless welfare poor who want economic theft and unpunishable violence), thank goodness.

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Old 07-29-2018, 07:15 AM
 
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Education is still the best legacy for all, whoever you are or wherever you are from, any race where education evolves, people are more flexible and broad minded to execute the life in a better and much more less complicated than the usual. So all Africans should embrace Education, seeing ourselves in America when people are broad minded, it brings us together more, forgetting which country we come from, conjoining as family.
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Old 07-29-2018, 07:35 AM
 
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I agree Bolu, but it has to be the right education. And too many Africans adopt a western education. Problem. Africans don't have an excuse for allowing those outside their culture to teach them. African-Americans, on the otherhand, are westerners by birth. Their ancestors were prevented, often under the threat of death, from teaching their descendants the ways of their native culture. So when they were allowed to learn, they had no culture of their own to teach.

Ya know...looking at if that way, it's pretty disgraceful how many Africans do not value their own culture and instead adopt a toxic foreign one. And at the end of the day, it's precisely why westerners see them as a cheap trick...easily exploitable for pennies on the dollar. You benefit their agenda. Do not ever misunderstand your position.
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Old 07-29-2018, 08:51 PM
 
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Education often destroys kids of all races.

https://www.brighthubeducation.com/s...special-needs/

This is just how education can marginalize those labeled special needs, but can be damaging in many other ways.

Example, of course it is good for an individual if they can get into Harvard. But there are limited slots at Harvard, and collectively the top universities have limited slots. Those who can't get in are categorized as less than, and this can do a lot of damage to some students.

As the Asian American lawsuits against Harvard demonstrate, students with PERFECT SAT scores and PERFEC GPAs are rejected, and often because it's obvious they don't have enough MONEY.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/28/o...dmissions.html

So people need to evaluate what they consider a "good" education.

Education is used as a gatekeeper to determine social advancement. But only recently have researchers focused on the considerable damage it does large numbers of students for life.
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Old 07-30-2018, 07:43 AM
 
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Education is used as a gatekeeper to determine social advancement.


Some of the most brilliant minds in history were not formally educated. One could argue that formal education (aka being "institutionalized") would have been a detriment. When you are taught how to think and learn, you don't develop the problem-solving skills necessary to activate your brain.
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Old 07-30-2018, 10:37 AM
 
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I agree Bolu, but it has to be the right education. And too many Africans adopt a western education. Problem. Africans don't have an excuse for allowing those outside their culture to teach them. African-Americans, on the otherhand, are westerners by birth. Their ancestors were prevented, often under the threat of death, from teaching their descendants the ways of their native culture. So when they were allowed to learn, they had no culture of their own to teach.

Ya know...looking at if that way, it's pretty disgraceful how many Africans do not value their own culture and instead adopt a toxic foreign one. And at the end of the day, it's precisely why westerners see them as a cheap trick...easily exploitable for pennies on the dollar. You benefit their agenda. Do not ever misunderstand your position.
Not only them, but the Chinese seem to be catching on to this as well. Many have come to build infrastructure and some men have even married women in the country they land in. It almost seems to be similar to the way the Iberian countries went about things when arriving in a new land.
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Old 07-30-2018, 11:49 AM
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I agree Bolu, but it has to be the right education. And too many Africans adopt a western education. Problem. Africans don't have an excuse for allowing those outside their culture to teach them. African-Americans, on the otherhand, are westerners by birth. Their ancestors were prevented, often under the threat of death, from teaching their descendants the ways of their native culture. So when they were allowed to learn, they had no culture of their own to teach.

Ya know...looking at if that way, it's pretty disgraceful how many Africans do not value their own culture and instead adopt a toxic foreign one. And at the end of the day, it's precisely why westerners see them as a cheap trick...easily exploitable for pennies on the dollar. You benefit their agenda. Do not ever misunderstand your position.

Some African cultures do not lack toxicity some are much more classist and arrogant than western cultures and treat those on the bottom of the pecking order much worse. I've seen this play out numerous times in the work place bullying runs rampant as well.
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Old 07-30-2018, 12:51 PM
 
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Some African cultures do not lack toxicity some are much more classist and arrogant than western cultures and treat those on the bottom of the pecking order much worse. I've seen this play out numerous times in the work place bullying runs rampant as well.

I don't disagree. I just think it's the result of colonization. I don't think Africans are naturally this way. Are they tribal? Yes. But that doesn't necessarily translate to being classist. I think classism is learned behavior. But I could be TOTALLY wrong about this. I'm not African.
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Old 07-30-2018, 01:14 PM
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I don't disagree. I just think it's the result of colonization. I don't think Africans are naturally this way. Are they tribal? Yes. But that doesn't necessarily translate to being classist. I think classism is learned behavior. But I could be TOTALLY wrong about this. I'm not African.
What makes you think that? I don't notice colorism, what I notice is more rigid hierarchy, more materialism, more entitlement among those in power(they feel they should be excluded from followings the rules and generally will without oversight) and above all much less empathy for subordinates.
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