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Old 09-10-2018, 03:17 PM
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I suggest that you research Antonio R better and you will learn that he considers anyone who thinks that blacks should assertively voice their views is a radical black Afrocentric militant. Just debate with him about the Dominican skin color issue and you will see his true colors.
Unlike the majority of people on CD, I don't write people off because I might vehemently disagree with them on some (or most) issues. That's what's wrong with the world today. People unwilling to hear you out because they "don't like" you. That makes you close-minded, and I try not to be that way.
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Old 09-10-2018, 05:02 PM
 
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I'm going to add one more thing then I will go away. The term African American means nothing. Civilization started in Africa.......period. Africans come in all colors......not just blacks. Another falsehood invented by the enemies of America.


If you have ever traveled in Africa you know exactly of what I speak.
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Old 09-10-2018, 05:17 PM
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Unfortunately, I agree with your first paragraph, Antonio. I would not be surprised if the Obamas are staying married because of appearances and the children. No judgment, because many people do. But based on Michelle Obama's background, I wonder what attracted her to Barack Obama in the first place. I don't think Obama is totally faking it. I honestly believe he doesn't really know what space he fits in. In addition to the weight of being the first black president, I think his "people pleasing" nature comes from wanting to be accepted by everyone. People with a strong identity don't feel the need to be accepted by everyone. You know that's impossible. You focus on those who accept you and forget the rest. Obviously you can't do that as president (and certainly not a black one), but look at Trump. Say what you will...you can tell he has a strong sense of self (even if a lot of it is ego) by the way he leads. He makes his decisions wit confidence. I can even point to Serena Williams who, like Obama, spends her entire career navigating a white space that's hostile to her. But she is unapologetically herself, for better or worse. She gets that from her father. There is a great clip on YouTube of an interview with Venus as a child. Richard Williams stops the interviewer when he realized the man was trying to show seeds of doubt in Venus (Venus confidently expressed that she could beat a player, and the interviewer kept questioning her about it). It is an awesome lesson for any parent of any race about not allowing people to ruin your child's self-estreem. Richard Williams's influence is very apparent in Serena and Venus. It is why people can't stand Serena and seek to tear her down. She behaves like a white girl on the court (asserts herself) and doesn't know her place.

I wrote all that to say...I don't think Obama "using" the black community is as sinister as people believe. Calculating? Yes. But I honestly think he's just trying to fit in where he can. It's hard being a black man who grew up "white" but will never be fully accepted because of the color of your skin. And you can't really relate to the experiences of your skin color brethren who accept you. Not a fun place to be.
I donít doubt that Barack and Michelle love each other.

Itís very hard for me to say what lead Michelle to unite with Barack, mostly because I havenít researched her aspect of this.

With Barack, and based on all the information that exist regarding who he picked to be his spouse, its certain to me that from his part it didnít start with love but interest. The love part probably grew on him with time, if not durig courtship and marriage then definitely after the daughters were born. None of this negates that Barack initially picked Michelle not so much due to a love of her, but rather his desire to become president. At that particular moment of his life he decided to sacrifice his own full happiness because his desire to be president was greater. Had the US been a different type of society where peopleís allegiances arenít based on race/color/with whom they date or marry, thatís one sacrifice Barack would had never done.

Now that I think about it, I donít think the US has ever had an interracial presidential family. The reasons for that probably has nothing to do with many of the presidents themselves but rather the racism that permeats US society.

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Old 09-10-2018, 06:17 PM
 
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I donít doubt that Barack and Michelle love each other.

Itís very hard for me to say what lead Michelle to unite with Barack, mostly because I havenít researched her aspect of this.

With Barack, and based on all the information that exist regarding who he picked to be his spouse, its certain to me that from his part it didnít start with love but interest. The love part probably grew on him with time, if not durig courtship and marriage then definitely after the daughters were born. None of this negates that Barack initially picked Michelle not so much due to a love of her, but rather his desire to become president. At that particular moment of his life he decided to sacrifice his own full happiness because his desire to be president was greater. Had the US been a different type of society where peopleís allegiances arenít based on race/color/with whom they date or marry, thatís one sacrifice Barack would had never done.

Now that I think about it, I donít think the US has ever had an interracial presidential family. The reasons for that probably has nothing to do with many of the presidents themselves but rather the racism that permeats US society.
I think it is very true that many Americans, independent of race, would have held Barack Obama suspect if he had married a white woman... and that this would have prevented his political ascendancy.
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Old 09-10-2018, 06:22 PM
 
Location: DC metropolitan area
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Here is a very interesting video that I came across that may open up some eyes on this topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQUR...&feature=share
It's interesting... the woman in the video says that blacks built America... you hear that a lot among Afro-centrists... negating the contributions of other people.
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Old 09-10-2018, 07:12 PM
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It's interesting... the woman in the video says that blacks built America... you hear that a lot among Afro-centrists... negating the contributions of other people.
I find it interesting when people make such comments. So instead of being defensive, I'll ask: name a group that has done just as much if not more to build America. Please also name one that helped build it for hundreds of years with little or no compensation. And by "built" I mean...starting from the time before America was "America".

Go!
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Old 09-10-2018, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Macao
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With Barack, and based on all the information that exist regarding who he picked to be his spouse, its certain to me that from his part it didn’t start with love but interest. The love part probably grew on him with time, if not durig courtship and marriage then definitely after the daughters were born. None of this negates that Barack initially picked Michelle not so much due to a love of her, but rather his desire to become president. At that particular moment of his life he decided to sacrifice his own full happiness because his desire to be president was greater. Had the US been a different type of society where people’s allegiances aren’t based on race/color/with whom they date or marry, that’s one sacrifice Barack would had never done.
I'm no expert of Barack's inner mind when it comes to loving Michelle Obama.

BUT....I always thought him growing up in Hawaii to a white mother and white grandparents, he was very removed from what people associated as his black-American identity.

I felt like his desire to move to Chicago and work in the poorest neighborhoods, was him trying to connect to that perception of what other people saw. That's where he would have met the Reverend Wright and his future wife and everyone else who were instrumental in shaping his future self. They were big parts of him trying to find his identity. He also went to Kenya to search for his Father's family.

In short, I have no idea his inner mind when he met Michelle, but he obviously loves her. I'm going to guess they've gone through a lot of similar experiences that have bonded them to each other. Particularly the ones where Barack just keeps being associated as '100% black' (dismissing he's half and it isn't his primary identity/history)', or even the 'Muslim' or '100% Kenyan' labels and all the other negative stuff that regular Americans throw at an 'other' type.
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Old 09-11-2018, 11:15 AM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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He saw himself in fact more as a non white foreign student.
A year earlier he was the All-American, though.

https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.c...hotos_0011.jpg
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Old 09-11-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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There's nothing complex about Obama's professed 'identity.' What he has done was to above all win the presidency. It was all calculated. He already knew of the racial problems affecting the USA and once the presidency became a goal of his, he had to think not what he truly wanted but what was best to gain him access to the White House as president of the USA.

According to this article, Obama married Michelle to ensure he would win the presidency, especially to get the African American vote. He knew that people were going to judge him based on the race of his wife (for people from outside of the USA this may seem odd, but in the USA all of this is important.)

In fact, his ex-(white)girlfriend's parents didn't object to him on racial terms because he came through to them as a 'white, middle-class kid.' That was before he had the presidency as his ultimate goal, when he was able to be who he truly is and not make calculating decisions to make others like him and vote for him.



Then, once Obama made the presidency one of his goals, his decision to ditch the white girlfriend and find himself a black one took precedence.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d2f673825096
According to that article, yes. Whether the article is right or not is irrelevant.

Barack Obama is married to an African American woman and he has raised two African American daughters. Michelle Obama (Robinson) before she was married, like your typical African American is not 100% African. Most African Americans have at least some white ancestry. And please don't go out posting charts about what population is this percentage white and this percentage Black.

The point is Obama is not inaccurate in saying he is African American according to how he has lived, and that is his identity that he has every right to claim if he so choses.
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Old 09-11-2018, 01:44 PM
 
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Obama was not the "first black president". This is another falsehood perpetuated by the left.
Notice he wasn't referred to as the first half white president...............


The issue of skin color being the only difference between whites and blacks.......another lie. People live in a dream world of lies. Ask any doctor or med student if there is a difference in the skeletal formation of a black vs. a white.
O.K .........I'll answer it for you, yes. Blacks have different skeletons than whites.


Makes me chuckle how gullible people are.
Actually, I believe that his mother had some African ancestry down the line in her family history: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ack-slave.html


So, he actually may be or is mostly of African descent.
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