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Old 03-03-2019, 03:57 PM
 
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1. Most whites could give a fig between the different categories of blacks. You think that the cops cared that Amadou Diallo was an African immigrants when they fired more than 40 bullets into him?


2. Those immigrants who were present in the USA prior to the Civil Rights movement were just as involvement in activities to improve the lot of blacks. You do know that Marcus Garvey is a name much commemorated all over the USA and that he was born in Jamaica. His movement was the first mass based black grass roots movements not led by the light skinned bougie class and funded by white liberals. Malcolm X is another. Constance Baker Motley played a huge legal role with the NAACP.


3. Not all civil rights activity began with the Montgomery bus boycott and in fact NYC was a hot bed of activity in the early 20th C, and many West Indians were very much involved in that.


It says much for a certain type of black American who is so ungrateful as to refuse to credit those West Indians who toiled right next to them to better the lives for blacks!
You're completely right there, but it's taken you a long time to come to that conclusion.

With that said, just because most whites cannot make the distinction between different groups of Blacks does not mean that they are right.
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Old 03-11-2019, 07:53 AM
 
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In my experience when Africans meet Black Americans there is not necessarily conflict but there are a lot of misunderstandings.

The Americans often assume that all Africans live in a jungle inside of a hut "in a tribe." They will also ask ignorant questions like "so you speak Nigerian?" or "do you speak a dialect?" whatever that means. "Do you speak African?" You can pretty much fill in the blank. Black Americans generally like African culture on a superficial level. They may like the clothes or a song that they think may be African. Many feel that Africa is like a missing link to their own identity and they expect African food to be very similar to Black American food, although I strongly disagree. In Atlanta a lot of people are even familiar with African pop culture (mostly Nigeria) and some are even aware of the names of a few ethnic groups but that's about it. Of course there is a small minority of Black Americans that are quite knowledgeable about Africa as a continent or specific countries.

In my experience Africans are almost completely ignorant of the actual struggles and oppression that Black Americans have endured. They're aware that Black Americans had to work without pay for many years but many of them don't know much else about what chattel slavery actually entailed or the culture of white supremacy which affected laws and incited violence and injustice long after slavery supposedly ended. They are baffled at why Black Americans aren't prospering more when they have the privilege of being in America, which many Africans wish they had. They're not aware of how much Blacks have accomplished in America with such limited opportunities. On another note, they also think that Black American names are bizarre and don't sound African at all. The majority of Africans know quite a bit about Black American celebrities, music, and other pop culture. And of course there is a small minority of Africans that are quite well informed about Black American history and culture as well.

Overall we have a lot to learn about each other but there is still a lot of interest between the two groups and a little common ground. On the other hand, most Black Americans would rather travel to Brazil or the Caribbean than any country in Africa.
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Old 03-12-2019, 12:12 PM
 
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You're completely right there, but it's taken you a long time to come to that conclusion.

With that said, just because most whites cannot make the distinction between different groups of Blacks does not mean that they are right.
Really. When have I not said that whites dont distinguish between different black ethnic groups. What I will say and I continue to say is that there are distinctions between the various black ethnic groups and how they respond to conditions in the USA.
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Old 03-12-2019, 12:17 PM
 
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Slavery was instituted by European colonialism, and what's now called the US was European colonies when Africans were enslaved and brought over.

So perhaps Caribbean nations SHOULD ask for reparations. After all the Caribbean is so poor people are trying to leave en masse.
The Caribbean governments do demand reparations. The Caribbean people think that this is just another venue that they want to engage in corruption and party patronage. Caribbean people do not express interest in reparations because they know that there is none to get. Too many urgent problems to waste time with a pipe dream.

The reality is that there were many actors in the slave trade and so who is to be held responsible becomes complicated. Without the active involvement of certain African elites there would have been far fewer enslaved peoples trafficked and certainly NONE from the regions between Senegal and Cameroons.
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:30 PM
 
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The Caribbean governments do demand reparations. The Caribbean people think that this is just another venue that they want to engage in corruption and party patronage. Caribbean people do not express interest in reparations because they know that there is none to get. Too many urgent problems to waste time with a pipe dream.

The reality is that there were many actors in the slave trade and so who is to be held responsible becomes complicated. Without the active involvement of certain African elites there would have been far fewer enslaved peoples trafficked and certainly NONE from the regions between Senegal and Cameroons.
This is so true. Africans were also involved. But I think if someone buys a slave from a human trafficker today and forces them into sex and labor then the victim would have a case against both the buyer and the seller. But it's not easy to hold Africa responsible since most of their nations did not exist at the height of the American slave trade (ok transatlantic slave trade). Also I don't think they care about us that much. America too, really. Overall I would say reparations are a pipe dream for Black Americans as well as Caribbeans. They ain't studdin us.
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Old 03-17-2019, 06:38 AM
 
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The Caribbean governments do demand reparations. The Caribbean people think that this is just another venue that they want to engage in corruption and party patronage. Caribbean people do not express interest in reparations because they know that there is none to get. Too many urgent problems to waste time with a pipe dream.

The reality is that there were many actors in the slave trade and so who is to be held responsible becomes complicated. Without the active involvement of certain African elites there would have been far fewer enslaved peoples trafficked and certainly NONE from the regions between Senegal and Cameroons.
The Caribbean people are simply WRONG.

Jews, as a group of European got financial reparations for the Holocaust. Germany, Austria, and Poland also offer citizenship to the citizens of Holocaust survivors. Not to mention there's Israel itself. And of course, Sephardim have the right to Portuguese and Spanish citizenship.

Oh, and Germany even had to pay for Jews to settle in Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repara...d_West_Germany

Japanese interned in camps during WW2 got reparations.
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...rnment-redress
Reagan, A Republican signed for this.

Now obviously if money was just going to go pocket some politicians accounts, that's pretty bad. But this was certainly not the case for Jews when they got multiple reparations.

In the United States due to obvious historical persecution, members of federally approved Native American groups get their college tuition paid for by the government, get free medical, and get discounted mortgages.
http://www.collegescholarships.org/g...e-american.htm

And yet there are no genuine reparations towards Black people.
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Old 03-21-2019, 08:41 PM
 
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On another note, they also think that Black American names are bizarre and don't sound African at all.
You mean Lakeisha ain't African? LOL

Anyway,I do think many Black-Americans think Arabic names are African like Hakim,Jabari and Rashida etc.
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Old 03-21-2019, 08:51 PM
 
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The Americans often assume that all Africans live in a jungle inside of a hut "in a tribe." They will also ask ignorant questions like "so you speak Nigerian?" or "do you speak a dialect?" whatever that means. "Do you speak African?" You can pretty much fill in the blank. Black Americans generally like African culture on a superficial level...
How much of that is true for many Blacks in the western hemisphere? Are Blacks in the Caribbean and Latin America any more knowledgeable about everyday life of African people on the continent? We all pretty much receive the same media info about Africa which can be limited and narrow.
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Old 03-29-2019, 05:50 PM
 
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The Caribbean people are simply WRONG.

Jews, as a group of European got financial reparations for the Holocaust. Germany, Austria, and Poland also offer citizenship to the citizens of Holocaust survivors. Not to mention there's Israel itself. And of course, Sephardim have the right to Portuguese and Spanish citizenship.

Oh, and Germany even had to pay for Jews to settle in Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repara...d_West_Germany

Japanese interned in camps during WW2 got reparations.
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...rnment-redress
Reagan, A Republican signed for this.

Now obviously if money was just going to go pocket some politicians accounts, that's pretty bad. But this was certainly not the case for Jews when they got multiple reparations.

In the United States due to obvious historical persecution, members of federally approved Native American groups get their college tuition paid for by the government, get free medical, and get discounted mortgages.
College Grants for Native Americans

And yet there are no genuine reparations towards Black people.
No they are not wrong. There is nothing that can get 14 impoverished nations to compel Europe to pay reparations when ALL of the world's wealthiest nations are against it.

And there is the obvious problem that there is no one alive in the Americas who was either a slave or directly descended from one so it is difficult to litigate. The examples that you mention all refer to people who were directly impacted. There are still people living who were alive in WWII as difficult as it might be for you to imagine it.

The UK isnt going to give us citizenship either, especially after they gave us independence and we proudly waved our flags and kissed them goodbye. And do we want citizenship from Ghana, Nigeria, Togo, DRC or Congo Republic? No! Just about every Caribbean nation is better off with the possible exception of Haiti.


The UK in particular isnt going to pay reparations because claims from India and Ireland alone will bankrupt that country. Research the history of Ireland and it isnt pretty with their famines and forced labor that was sent to UK colonies in the Caribbean and North America.

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Old 03-29-2019, 06:12 PM
 
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You mean Lakeisha ain't African? LOL

Anyway,I do think many Black-Americans think Arabic names are African like Hakim,Jabari and Rashida etc.
Black Muslims introduced the myth that Islam was the "black man's religion" and so many bought into this notion that these Arabic names are theirs. What is interesting is that you dont see the type of Muslim names that the Francophone West African Muslims have. That is even though it is from those regions where the first Muslims brought to the USA would have originated from.

There isnt even a mythology of place of origin as exists in the Caribbean as the nature of US slavery meant that fewer slaves were brought directly to the USA and in its peak era relatively few slaves would have been African born. So there would be fewer myths transferred across generations. For instance the Akan names are known in the Caribbean Cuffy (Kofi) and Kwame being among of the more famous. So people wanting "African" names would go to these Akan.
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