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Old 10-01-2017, 04:10 AM
 
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The Trump administration said it's okay to fire people on the basis of sexuality. So since his people are already working on getting rid of civil rights protections for gays, guess whose next? Black people.........

If Trump gets to appoint one or more conservative justice, and if he gets reelected, the pathways that Blacks were using to advance will find themselves under attack if not abolished. Goodbye any kind of financial aid.

CaribNY, you are very wrong if you think people who refused to accept Obama as an US citizen are going to care whether a Black person has a degree or not. They won't. The only way for things to genuinely get better is for people to stop hating and genuinely accept each other. Laws alone cannot make that happen.
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:10 AM
 
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CaribNY, you are very wrong if you think people who refused to accept Obama as an US citizen are going to care whether a Black person has a degree or not. They won't. The only way for things to genuinely get better is for people to stop hating and genuinely accept each other. Laws alone cannot make that happen.
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I am not someone who is impressed with university degrees, especially if they are liberal arts majors.

Now if racism is going to get worse imagine the plight of an uneducated black male with no skills and no work history? He is a walking stereotype and will easily be dealt with. And if the image of the young black man is represented by this type then it will become even easier to victimize him.

I wasn't aware that gays were losing their jobs. I am aware that transgender people are, Given that there remains segregation between the genders even you will admit that this can raise issues. A "man" in a dress walking into a female restroom isn't something that most women will be comfortable with. A "man" who is actually biologically a woman in a barrack room with other men who know that biologically he is a woman again raises specific issues. Now we can go all PC or we can understand that this transgender question raises some issues.

Its interesting that no one cared about the transgender issue until a celebrity decided to change teams.
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:17 AM
 
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One of the least examined conundrums in American life today is the fact that Hispanics have lower levels of educational attainment than blacks but have lower unemployment, higher median incomes and household wealth than blacks.
You are treating blacks as a monolithic group.


Mexicans have some of the lowest levels of unemployment but also earn low wages and in NYC are among the poorest groups. Worse off than are blacks.

Some Hispanics have been in the USA for generations and fall into the "What are you? Are you Greek or French?" category so don't face the levels of discrimination that a black might. So their upward mobility will be faster.

Hispanic levels of wealth are only marginally higher than those of blacks, so that is irrelevant.

Now here is something for you. Nigerians immigrants to the USA are considerably more educated than are Jamaican immigrants though LESS likely to own homes, and have only slightly higher median household incomes.

All sorts of complex issues impact certain groups.

I suggest that African immigrants to the USA compare themselves to Indian immigrants, as their levels of educational attainment are comparable. They will then have to disclose why their median incomes are so much lower? Are Nigerians lazier than Indians, or do they just happen to encounter more barriers of racism than do Indians?
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:20 AM
 
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No. White men without high school degrees can often find better paying jobs than Black people with degrees.

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So you think that this means that blacks shouldn't pursue education?

Why don't you discuss the fate of black men who don't graduate high school. When you do you will find out that they are the backbone of the prison industrial complex?

Just the mere act of completing high school and attaining some post secondary education goes a long way to reducing the prospects of them getting trapped in the prison industrial complex.
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:23 AM
 
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Btw, much of the Caribbean .
Dominica. Puerto Ricans have people like you to bleed for them. Dominicans however are a proud people who believe in self help. They have endured several hurricanes in the past and have no FEMA to bawl out to.

Mexico is a rich country so I fail to see why they need outside help. Some of the richest people on the planet live in that country. That earthquake didn't even adversely impact the functioning of Mexico City. Certainly not in the way that Sandy impacted NYC.
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:25 AM
 
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If your solution is to be more lenient on sentencing than some of the black majority areas would look like war zones. .
Utter nonsense. Since the lawless stop and frisk ended NYC hasn't become a war zone. This city is a good deal safer than it was in the Giuliani era.
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:29 AM
 
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All I know that education really matters, whoever you are or from either which raise in any area where education evolves people are more flexible and broad minded to execute the life in a better and much more less complicated than the usual.
Education is the best way to escape poverty. It doesn't guarantee this but its a whole lot better than being a high school drop out lacking hard or soft skills needed by the job market.

Imagine many illiterate Mexicans undocumented migrants have more skills than does your average inner city American. At least they can pile cinder blocks on top of each other. They certainly no that employers hire people because they want certain tasks performed.

Isolated from the world of work for at least 2 generations many inner city dwellers don't know this. They view a job as a right, when it actually isn't.
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Old 10-12-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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I am not someone who is impressed with university degrees, especially if they are liberal arts majors.

Now if racism is going to get worse imagine the plight of an uneducated black male with no skills and no work history? He is a walking stereotype and will easily be dealt with. And if the image of the young black man is represented by this type then it will become even easier to victimize him.

I wasn't aware that gays were losing their jobs. I am aware that transgender people are, Given that there remains segregation between the genders even you will admit that this can raise issues. A "man" in a dress walking into a female restroom isn't something that most women will be comfortable with. A "man" who is actually biologically a woman in a barrack room with other men who know that biologically he is a woman again raises specific issues. Now we can go all PC or we can understand that this transgender question raises some issues.

Its interesting that no one cared about the transgender issue until a celebrity decided to change teams.
As racism gets worse, no one is going to care whether anyone from an unwanted group has job skills or a work history. It's something you seem to have difficulty grasping. A racist who hates blacks is going to hate someone black regardless of job skills, work history, etc. Look at how Trump seeks to undo all Obama did, no matter who gets hurt.

The Trump administration has already said the LGBT crowd have no federal protections in the workforce. A gay man from Long Island was fired from sky diving company when it came out he was gay, and Trump's Justice Department is arguing in federal court that the employer had every right to fire him. You can bet with a neo-confederate/neo nazi in charge of the justice department blacks and other non whites are next.
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Old 10-12-2017, 01:34 PM
 
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Dominica. Puerto Ricans have people like you to bleed for them. Dominicans however are a proud people who believe in self help. They have endured several hurricanes in the past and have no FEMA to bawl out to.

Mexico is a rich country so I fail to see why they need outside help. Some of the richest people on the planet live in that country. That earthquake didn't even adversely impact the functioning of Mexico City. Certainly not in the way that Sandy impacted NYC.
From the man who claims to be so pro Caribbean, the islands devastated by the Hurricanes and left to rot but Trump will have deaths in the thousands, if not more (lack of medical care due to non functioning hospitals, horrible conditions, etc) and you say something this asinine?
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Old 10-12-2017, 01:38 PM
 
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So you think that this means that blacks shouldn't pursue education?

Why don't you discuss the fate of black men who don't graduate high school. When you do you will find out that they are the backbone of the prison industrial complex?

Just the mere act of completing high school and attaining some post secondary education goes a long way to reducing the prospects of them getting trapped in the prison industrial complex.
That's up to the individual person to decide on whether or not education is worth it for them.

Though if a person isn't going to be hired for something worthwhile, and if they're just wasting their time, they might not want to purse an education.

I've known Black men with degrees from SUNY and CUNY working as security guards. There was no point in them taking out student loans if this is all they were going to do. Of course there are people of all races in this position as I've know white bartenders with degrees.

Not everyone needs to have an education, and the society is better off focusing on the rights and conditions of working class people. Focus on the demonized underclass or the working class majority, instead of the minority of the population that is so called "skilled" (professionals).
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