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Old 07-17-2018, 12:03 PM
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Really? Well I guess it's good I don't care what you think then, huh?




Sure you do or you wanted have bothered to reply.


Reparations??? get real.
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Old 07-17-2018, 12:16 PM
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I wanted to convey that I read your post but decided not to dignify it with a substantive reply. Silence wouldn't have conveyed the same message. You could have assumed I overlooked it.

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Old 07-17-2018, 01:06 PM
 
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Your parents were educated, and they were teachers. Everything you're saying, despite trying to convince me otherwise, says you were at worst middle class and at best, wealthy. I am not trying to diminish your family history, but having multiple generations under one roof and coming up on hard times at various points does not mean you were poor. Even if your family lost wealth, you were at some point part of a higher class. This matters as it pertains to immigraton.

Anywho...we are not going to agree on this. I implore you not to judge others, because you don't know the family history of those welfare recipients you thumb your nose at. And THEIR ancestors paid for it with their blood. It's the least they can get from a country that really owes them trillions of dollars...if we want to talk about debts.

Good day!

Please note that only mom's family was wealthy; dad's family was the poorest of the poorest even in an overall poor country. His ancestry consists 100% of sharecropping, illiteracy, getting killed in wars as a foot soldier, and starving to death. You would have difficulty finding any family poorer than my father's even in the Balkans, let alone in the US. Yet, if you talk to my dad (in any of the several languages in which he is fluent), you would never guess that. If he could pull out of that, in a country where nobody cares, surely an average impoverished American (in a country of lavish social services) can learn plumbing in a vocational school (which does not require fluency in five languages), and support himself better than my father ever could. There is no excuse for a life of crime or a life of handouts in the US, unless maybe if you are completely paralyzed below the level of the neck.


Mom's family was rich, but they rather suddenly became poor 20 years before I was born, and never recovered any of their assets. I never saw them being rich, only wearing clothes with holes. How does that matter as it pertains to immigration? I don't see how it does. The initial visa papers asked how I would support myself in the US, I showed evidence of a research stipend that I would earn as a grad student (all of the $8k of it per year! :-), no other financial sources were available or needed. By the time I was actually allowed to immigrate permanently (29 years later), I have gotten through so much, earned and saved so much, that the question about my family assets would have been absurd. In the year 1983, could my mom have bought me a penthouse on the Fifth Avenue in Manhattan with the money she remembered she once had? No, she could barely afford to buy me a little gold charm for graduation from school. Who owes MY family millions, and why did I not harp forever about this "debt", instead of rolling up the sleeves and doing what I needed to do in order to survive (without crime or handouts)?

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Old 07-17-2018, 08:27 PM
 
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This two hour rant sums up this thread:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJyLm1Ryd0

woooo...

"We ain't family."
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Old 07-17-2018, 10:09 PM
 
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This two hour rant sums up this thread:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJyLm1Ryd0

woooo...

"We ain't family."
No it doesn’t...she’s ignorant and pessimistic.
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Old 07-17-2018, 10:22 PM
 
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I swear to god, I hear my words all over the internet.

Yvette Carnell and several people in the comment section were talking about "Native Black" - for the concept that AAs are the native black people of the United States.

I coined that term somewhere on these forums years ago and now it's all over the place.
Dr. Claude Anderson was on Rock Newman talking about "we are the native blacks".

All this talk about "Native black American descendants of slaves" identity was one of my rants here.

"We are a tribe." Those were my exact words that I said in some post in this forum somewhere.
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Old 07-19-2018, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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You also find a number of South Americans with say an Italian grandparent who get Italian citizenship.
Argentines are probably the biggest in that group, given that some 30-40% of Argentines have some Italian ancestry or origin.
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:17 AM
 
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Really, what do you know about my country of origin, ie, who could or couldn't leave? (very abbreviated story: anybody could leave, but people left only if they absolutely had to, because it is very hard to leave one's home. Low skilled people left mostly for Western European countries because that was easier and closer). You say "If you WERE better, your family would have been here long before the 80s"... well, I was in my 20s in the 80s - was I supposed to move to the US by my own efforts before I was able to work, or before I was born? My moving to the US has nothing to do with my family and all to do with my extreme effort to LEARN and WORK with people who are NOT "my people" (considering the war between my dad's people and my mom's people, I don't even have anything I could call my people based on ethnicity). I worked hard, lived within my means, and did not ask anyone to give me something (or everything) without me paying for it, in the form of work or in the the form of purchase from my earned savings - if that is not humble, I don't know what is. Constant demand for handouts and constant crime - how is THAT humble??


Extra note: my family does not live in the US (okay, the ypunger sibling has US citizenship, which he earned on his own, independent of me, but his job is international, and he spends little time in tha US). I didn't drag 185 unemployed relatives with me when I immigrated in the US.
Name the country of origin. Otherwise you're just trolling. Eastern Europe is a huge place.

Otherwise, how do we even know you're from Eastern Europe?
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:18 AM
 
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My mother's family (which was rich before the WW2, yes) lost everything except their lives in 1940. My grandfather split the family, and various people hid them for 5 years at various places, which is how they survived the 5 years of war; otherwise, would have been killed. You should see my grandpa's 1945 post-war photo, he looked like a skeleton. The new communist government in 1945 certainly did not restore anything at all to my family, but nationalized the factory that was left standing after the pro-Nazi forces in 1940 looted everything else the family owned and burned my grandparents' home mansion to ashes (I mean, the pro-Nazis did the burning, the communists had nothing left to burn; they only had the lands and factory left to steal and bankrupt). I was born 20 years after the Nazis and 15 years after the communist takeover. Three generations of us (my mom's parents, my parents, me, and later my small brother) lived together in a 2-bedroom apartment, which my parents couldn't heat after my grandmother died, because they lost financial contribution from grandma's pension (earned by my hardworking grandfather).

My father comes from EXTREME rural Balkan poverty, his sister (the aunt I didn't get to have) DIED OF HUNGER as a small child, in the 1930s, during the peace and order in the country - but during a lean sharecropping year in which my grandparents had no food. The ancestors on my father's side were sharecroppers or soldiers for generations, poor as you couldn't believe. My grandfather was the first in that family who could read and write (my grandmother couldn't). My father was the first to go to high school (and of course the first to finish college). My father walked miles to the nearest school (of course, a public and free school), developed a love of foreign cultures and languages at that school, went to college to study languages (where he met my mother), and both he and my mother supported themselves (and barely their two kids) by teaching these languages. That's the story. Every poor American is free to develop an interest in foreign languages or in any other constructive subject in a public school, the way my father did.

What leads you to believe that, with my history, I would favor anybody's "socialism", theft and handouts under the fake designation of "compassion" or "humility"?

This discussion has gone very far away from any connection with the topic of this thread, btw. The starting point was somebody (not me) making a connection between welfare poverty and African-Americanism. Then the discussion went in the direction of social justification for handouts and crime (which I do not support, because it unfairly penalizes people who pay taxes and/or work, and and perpetuates poverty, does not solve the problem of poverty).

My points are that poverty is not a justification for crime (my country of origin had very little crime while most of the population was poor), and being poor in the US nowadays is not a justification for staying poor because very direct ways out of poverty (through training and work) are offered to all the US citizens (as well as many non-citizens, for which I am indeed grateful. But the chance offered to my by the US would have been all for nothing if I had not made an extreme effort myself, and the same holds for the poor in this country).

Again, none of that is really the subject of the thread, but it still might be a worthwhile discussion on a very tangential topic.
Name the country of origin in the Balkans. The Balkans is still a huge region.
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:20 AM
 
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Had there been no Civil Rights Act of 1964 or the Immigration Act of 1965, there would have been other immigration acts - immigration rules are constantly changing, depending pretty much only on fluctuations in the US demand for certain types of foreign workforce. Are you trying to say that the US would have discontinued all immigration from Europe in 1965, had there not been the Civil Rights act of 1964? What is the evidence for that? How are blacks the reason why the US has allowed continued immigration of white Europeans after 1965?


Incidentally, I have never said anything against blacks/Afro Americans - I have said a number of things against people who put demands on other people for free stuff, through taxation or crime. I never said (or meant to say) that such worthless elements of the society equal Blacks (I have surely seen them in White, eg, all over rural West Virginia) - YOU are the one who thinks that I am automatically describing Blacks when I describe scum (frankly, of no particular race at all). Why is that?
This is the Africa forum, so stuff about who collects welfare in America (regardless of race) is ENTIRELY irrelevant. Take your issues with welfare to the relevant forum.
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