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Old 12-26-2013, 10:18 PM
 
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Lebanese are the "whitest" Arabs. Most really look like Greeks, especially the christians. I think they have the highest percentage of blue eyes in the Arab world. Many Syrians also have blue eyes, look at president Assad for example, who looks like an average Northern European, and compare to the president of Tunisia...
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:26 PM
 
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The fact that you were able to completely stun the OP, gives you my vote for most informative poster.
Thanks.

Basically, and I've travelled to quite a few Arab countries, the "whitest", most European countries are the ones with least black African admixture during their history, such as Lebanon and Syria, to a lesser extent Tunisia. Countries with most such as Mauretania or Sudan are almost black. Egyptians are also quite dark since since ancient times there has been admixture with blacks (Nubians).

It's all due to history. In my native russia since ancient times there has been admixture with Asian people, and it shows, eventough most Russians are "white" and "European" many have some Asiatic features. It's even not uncommon to see russians with blue eyes and blond hair who still have Asian features.
Obviously it also left traces on the culture.

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Old 12-26-2013, 10:49 PM
 
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I think Romans had blond people too(since people from all parts of the roman empire moved to Italy, and Northern Italians have a celtic ancestry), but it was a small minority. You also find blond people in countries like turkey and even Syria. I think it's not possible to put your finger on one cause for this. Tunisia is geographically very close to Europe, that's the logical and real reason. Not only visigots and Vandals moved to Tunisia (by the way were they really still so Scandinavian after spending so many years in Spain and mixing with spanish people?), many other Europeans did too. And you can see the berbers in northern Morocco have a high percentage of people with blue eyes and brown or even blond hair, most Tunisians have a berber ancestry. So maybe the blondes and blue eyed are mostly not due to European influence, but indigenous, since the berbers were clearly a white-skinned race?
Personally I think it's a mix of several reasons. On the other hand the large influx of and mixture with black slaves is the reason that Tunisians are still darker generally than, for example, Spanish, Italian or Turkish people.
yes , visigots and Vandals moved to Tunisia . But i think to be honest i'm not really sure there's also the Normans

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Old 12-26-2013, 11:13 PM
 
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yes , visigots and Vandals moved to Tunisia . But i think to be honest i'm not really sure there's also the Normans

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I repeat honestly I'm not sure but maybe .So maybe yes maybe no .
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:20 PM
 
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Did the Roman soldiers mixed with native women in North Africa, in the times of the Roman Empire?
The Vandal Kingdom was a kingdom established by the Germanic Vandals under Gaiseric in North Africa and the Mediterranean from 435 to 534. It was originally created by the settlement of the Vandals in the province of Numidia and Mauretania by the Roman government and then extended by conquest further into North Africa and the Mediterranean. The Kingdom was conquered by Byzantine Emperor Justinian in the Vandalic War.

Demographics of Tunisia

While the vast majority of modern Tunisians identify themselves as Arabs, they are predominantly descended from Berber groups, with some Arab input. Tunisians are also descended, from other African, Middle Eastern and European peoples, specifically the Phoenicians/Punics, Romans, Vandals, French and Haratin. In sum, 20 percent of their genetic material (Y-chromosome analysis) comes from present day Arabian Peninsula, Europe or Sub-Saharan Africa
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:46 PM
 
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I've been to Tunisia last year. In the south many are dark, even black, the grandchildren of liberated black slaves.
Romans have been in tunisia, lots of Greek and Turks, and quite a few slaves of Russian origine settled in Tunisia.
Can you explain and talk more about this (a few salves of Russian origine settled in Tunisia) I'm really intersted
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:47 PM
 
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Wisoghots invaded Numidia (mostly Algeria)
Numidia was next to Carthage (Tunisia) .
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Old 12-27-2013, 12:36 AM
 
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Lebanese are the "whitest" Arabs.
If they mix with Europeans or North Africans they will be

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Most really look like Greeks, especially the christians.
The Greeks them selves look Arabs

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I think they have the highest percentage of blue eyes in the Arab world. Many Syrians also have blue eyes
you Must say I think they wish if they mix with north Africans Or Europeans
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Lebanese are the "whitest" Arabs. Most really look like Greeks, especially the christians. I think they have the highest percentage of blue eyes in the Arab world. Many Syrians also have blue eyes, look at president Assad for example, who looks like an average Northern European, and compare to the president of Tunisia...
all of this is a nonsense .
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the "whitest", most European countries are the ones with least black African admixture during their history, such as Lebanon and Syria, to a lesser extent Tunisia
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Old 12-27-2013, 01:03 AM
 
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Berbers aren't particularly dark skinned people anyway. Tunisia was once colonized by the Vandals for many years, and they were racialy similar to Vikings.
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Old 12-27-2013, 11:16 AM
 
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Berbers aren't particularly dark skinned people anyway. Tunisia was once colonized by the Vandals for many years, and they were racialy similar to Vikings.
It's a main contributor to why there are blond hair and blue eyed Tunisians. I don't understand why some people have a hard time accepting this basic fact. Blond hair and blue eyes are not typical phenotypes of indigenous African people.
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