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Old 12-08-2013, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Yes, I think it's in his face. Interesting, though, that when he was younger and his face was more filled out, you couldn't see the Khoisan in him at all. But he's from an area that borders on San territory and I've read he's 1/4 Khoisan.

ok, here's more info about his Khoisan heritage, and apparently a DNA study of him revealed that his maternal DNA (his mtDNA haplogroup) is Khoisan:


Nelson Mandela is of partial Capoid/Khoisan racial origin. His tribe, the Xhosa, speak a Bantu language with some Khoi-San loan words and are said to have absorbed a substantial amount of Capoids, altering their gene pool to in effect by a Negroid-Khoisan hybrid population.

from: Khoisan - Metapedia
Yeah he's part Khoisan, I could tell even if I didn't know. Even when he was younger it was apparent.

But yeah, the Bantu expansion is of course, not something that is often talked about. It would make a lot of black South Africans look less like the victims.
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:50 PM
 
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I would think the ancestors of most modern day Europeans, Asians, Amerinidians would be from like Ethiopia, Tanzania, Malawi - the rift valley, and look more like them than those from Southwestern Africa?
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Old 12-09-2013, 09:20 AM
 
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I would think the ancestors of most modern day Europeans, Asians, Amerinidians would be from like Ethiopia, Tanzania, Malawi - the rift valley, and look more like them than those from Southwestern Africa?
It's thought that peoples very closely realted with the actual Sam, inhabitated most of South and east Africa, but 40.000 years ago. Since then they've been replaced by other human groups in most of Africa, but they (their descendants) succeded in the rest of the world.
Now thanks to the genetical studies improvements we know that without any doubt.

About ethiopians... I don't know about their ancestry, maybe they could be also related with those ancient peoples.
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Old 12-09-2013, 09:34 AM
 
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If the San could form a group that spans the nations where they live, i.e. an international representative organization, they could speak with one voice (assuming they could agree on the main issues), develop a relationship with the media in their countries in order to tell their story, and apply to the UN Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) for consultative status. That would give them a voice at the UN. They could attend forums where Indigenous peoples participate, and present grievances before the Human Rights Council.
Sam people are few, most of them have no education, they're living in total social marginalization.
Their communities have been totally shattered. They don't have enough power to achieve that for themselves without external aid.
And Iḿ afraid that the UN, the USA, the EC, Russia... have the slightest interest in them. They have no power of any kind.

On the contrary they are an uncomfortable evidence for the actual probantu SA goverment, that takes away the legitimacy for the bantu claims. "SA for black people, white are invaders".
In fact they'd be more comfortable if they disappeared.
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Old 03-19-2014, 04:49 PM
 
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Some news about the new apartheid the san people is suffering
BATTLE IN BOTSWANA: Diamonds in the Bush - News & Views - EBONY
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Old 03-26-2014, 01:59 AM
 
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That Mandela's mtDNA is Khoisan is consistant with the history of the Nguni invasions (bantu peoples ancestors of the xhosa) that invaded khoisan territory, and you know what happened when they conquered another people... men were killed and women were captured...
considering that Xhosa has about 15% of the vocabulary is of Khoekhoe (Khoisan) origin most of the interactions must have been peaceful. you can see it in there faces




and there language

Miriam Makeba - Oxgam - YouTube

also it was not only human migration. you got the Indo-European migration. the only pre indo european language left in Europe is Basque


and we also got the Austronesian expansion
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:07 AM
 
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Some news about the new apartheid the san people is suffering
BATTLE IN BOTSWANA: Diamonds in the Bush - News & Views - EBONY
this is happen in Ethiopia too

The Multinational Corporations Stealing Huge Tracts Of Ethiopian Farmland - YouTube

and Namibia
CENSORED NEWS: Namibia Indigenous protest dam, mining, human rights violations


and other countries around the world
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Old 03-27-2014, 08:49 AM
 
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Thanks for your posts TerryCarr.

I'm sorry, in those pics, I cannot find any distinguishable San trait in their faces.
Xhosa people have many words, sounds and expression from San people.
But sadly this doesn't mean that most of the interactions must have been peaceful.
In fact, Xhosa genetics show clearly bantu origin with an important contribution of San genes, but only from matrilinear lineage.
That's an important clue, that usually shows, violent conquest, where the males are killed and the women are kidnapped.
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Old 03-27-2014, 03:59 PM
 
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KhoiSan are indigenous to South Africa. KhoiSan were NEVER considered black by Arabs and Europeans that invaded Africa. KhoiSans are considered as "Coloured" / other. Therefore they are NOT black.
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:23 PM
 
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Thanks for your posts TerryCarr.

I'm sorry, in those pics, I cannot find any distinguishable San trait in their faces.
Xhosa people have many words, sounds and expression from San people.
But sadly this doesn't mean that most of the interactions must have been peaceful.

In fact, Xhosa genetics show clearly bantu origin with an important contribution of San genes, but only from matrilinear lineage.
That's an important clue, that usually shows, violent conquest, where the males are killed and the women are kidnapped.
if most of it was war i don't think they will be "clicking".
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