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View Poll Results: What do you think? Is China helping or hurting?
Overall hurting 50 60.98%
Overall helping 32 39.02%
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:21 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Apparently when you are on top of the economic food chain everyone else under is "doing fine" in their eyes.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Australia
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You totally missed their point.

Most of the natives in these countries still aren't enjoying "first world country" standards of living. Most natives in these countries either live under the poverty line or near the poverty line and are suffering..

Get your head out of the dirt!
Lol get outta here with this nonsense.

Aborigines receive lot of benefits from the Australian government... houses, money, free education etc. They have themselves to blame for their failures.
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Old 12-29-2013, 12:25 AM
 
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It is simply not true.
It's up to me too,i've seen it myself.
You are purposely mixing 2 or 3 differents issues.
China is a country that helped more african countries that any other countries around the world.
China in fact truly transfer technology to african countries and China doesn't interfere with african internal affairs like europeans.
China doesn't practice economic blockade and blackmail like european countries.
Chines businessmen enter any market to make profit,selling poor quality items ?
i would say the same thing about the french selling secondhand products to african countries,so it has nothing to do with the China as a state,it's an individual thing.
Doing business with european also did not benefit ordinary africans.
Not true,thousands of african students are trained in China,doctors,ingeneers,teachers so this story is not true.
Racism in China is not as common as in Europe,the whole european mentality is based on superiority of one race over the others,so this is another lie.

So basically what you are saying is that China is OK because it happily loaned many to the gov't of Sudan who promptly used the funds to kill people in Darfur. When asked to use its influence to stop Sudan from doing this, the response was that they don't interfere.

When there are assorted brutal acts by African tyrants the Chinese don't interfere. When refugees flee borders in destitution Europeans help. The Chinese don't interfere.

And its OK will China brings in their own workers while African starve because they cant find work.

African comments about Chinese racism.

Chinese Discrimination Against Africans On The Increase=


What is interesting are the people who like to pretend as if the only racism towards blacks comes from whites. Newsflash. Asians can also be quite racist. To many of them whites are at the top, and blacks are at the bottom. Note that the children of African American soldiers and Asian females are much more scorned than when the father is white. In both scenarios the father returns to the USA abandoning his Amerasian kids.

Here is the difference. If a French man sells inferior products to Africa people like you will jump up and down and so they will be careful. If the Chinese gov't (which sponsors most activity by Chinese in Africa) people like you will run and embrace them, because of course only whites can be racist.
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Old 12-29-2013, 12:29 AM
 
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Lol get outta here with this nonsense.

Aborigines receive lot of benefits from the Australian government... houses, money, free education etc. They have themselves to blame for their failures.

They receive charity, which further undermines their self esteem after decades of various forms of abuse. That is different from being treated based on the INDIVIDUAL talents, merits and goals.
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Old 12-29-2013, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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Lol get outta here with this nonsense.

Aborigines receive lot of benefits from the Australian government... houses, money, free education etc. They have themselves to blame for their failures.
Europeans almost completely wiped their population out.
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:04 AM
 
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China does bring benefits. But because of its non-interventionist approach, and its focus on national sovereignty, it always deal with the groups in power. In many African states, those in power are sometimes not particular good at government, and here lies the problem.

From China's point of view, it is not going to judge or help one group over another in a country. It will do business with whoever is in power. It's philosophy is that the people of that country will ultimately decide which government they want, and it is not China's place to help or discriminate against a group in power in a particular country over another. Hence Chinese trade with Africans appear to those Westerners with certain axe to grind, or certain political agendas, as being "exploitative", when it reality, it is these same Westerners who are manipulating and trying to carry out political agendas. They only care about the African people in the context of their own political lenses in Africa. So why should China follow what the West dictates? China will follow its own way. If these Western critics dont like it, they can come up with the resources and do what they want with it. Dont tell China what to do.
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:23 AM
 
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So basically what you are saying is that China is OK because it happily loaned many to the gov't of Sudan who promptly used the funds to kill people in Darfur. When asked to use its influence to stop Sudan from doing this, the response was that they don't interfere.

When there are assorted brutal acts by African tyrants the Chinese don't interfere. When refugees flee borders in destitution Europeans help. The Chinese don't interfere.

And its OK will China brings in their own workers while African starve because they cant find work.

African comments about Chinese racism.

Chinese Discrimination Against Africans On The Increase=


What is interesting are the people who like to pretend as if the only racism towards blacks comes from whites. Newsflash. Asians can also be quite racist. To many of them whites are at the top, and blacks are at the bottom. Note that the children of African American soldiers and Asian females are much more scorned than when the father is white. In both scenarios the father returns to the USA abandoning his Amerasian kids.

Here is the difference. If a French man sells inferior products to Africa people like you will jump up and down and so they will be careful. If the Chinese gov't (which sponsors most activity by Chinese in Africa) people like you will run and embrace them, because of course only whites can be racist.
Yes,China is ok,the killing is happening with or without China,so don't blame China,because it beats the westerners at their own game.
Don't try to mix the subject with other excuses.China was right not to interfere with Sudan,if Chinese are there for business,they don't have to do politics.
I don't buy the story of chinese racisme,europeans occupied,abuse,enslaved and invented aparthied in Africa,so chinese don't have the same ugly history as europeans,so you can't even compare the two.
Yes,i'm glad africans are embracing chinese,they never occupied or enslaved africans.
You did not prove anything,you tried to divide to conquer and you failed.
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:26 AM
 
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Lol get outta here with this nonsense.

Aborigines receive lot of benefits from the Australian government... houses, money, free education etc. They have themselves to blame for their failures.
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You invade,occupy their land and have the nerve to say,that the australian governmenet give them benefit,that australian stole from the aboriginal land.

That's right,they have themselves to blame for their extinction by australians.
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:23 PM
 
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Yes,China is ok,the killing is happening with or without China,so don't blame China,because it beats the westerners at their own game.
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yes funding dictators to kill their own people. At least in this day and age the West is more subtle. China behaves as if we are still in a Cold War mode.

I will also suggest that you chat with the Mongolians and the Tibetans, and other Central Asian ethnic groups about what being invaded and dominated by China is like. Its pretty much like what you accuse the Europeans of.

I am pretty sure that you would probably describe Russia when it was still communist as a paradise for Africans.
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:32 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Lol get outta here with this nonsense.

Aborigines receive lot of benefits from the Australian government... houses, money, free education etc. They have themselves to blame for their failures.
I guess that can be said about the Native Americans here in the states for trusting the europeans as freinds. I guess that is why a good percentage of Americans never seen and actual Native American especially the tribes that were exterminated This hold true for the Hawaiians as well who were nerely wiped out less than 100 year after Capt cook arrived
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