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Old 02-02-2014, 01:28 AM
 
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Some interesting observations coming from Jim Brown.




Jim Browns take on the Black Economic Movement in America - YouTube
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Old 02-02-2014, 02:45 PM
 
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I'm glad that he emphasized how Africa isn't all one thing or one nation. Africa is one of the most richly varied continents on earth when it comes to culture and variety.
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Old 02-02-2014, 06:36 PM
 
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Jim got me rethinking that March On Washington some when he highlighted how all those Blacks ended up just giving a lot of money to white owned businesses while in Washington. I know that there weren't too many Black owned hotels around at that time but I still got his point.
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Old 06-04-2016, 09:28 AM
 
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Jim got me rethinking that March On Washington some when he highlighted how all those Blacks ended up just giving a lot of money to white owned businesses while in Washington. I know that there weren't too many Black owned hotels around at that time but I still got his point.
Well, there were a lot of White people there as well. There were/are Black owned businesses in SE DC and around the Howard University campus, but I'm not sure how many people actually patronized those businesses. Here is an interesting guide called the Green Book, which helped Black travelers during Jim Crow, that offered Black owned and other businesses that were open to patronizing Black folks: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_...ist_Green_Book

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From 1956 edition: The Negro Travelers' Green Book, Spring 1956 - University of South Carolina Libraries

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Old 06-04-2016, 11:30 AM
 
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The most valid point that he made was about generational transfer of culture, values and identities. His comparison between Jews and blacks was on point.


Jews know that their survival depends on supporting each other. Its an instinct. They don't have to have "buy Jewish" campaigns. A Jew will know that he has to lookout for business opportunities for another Jew, because he is part of a network, and the more he puts into it, the more he gets out.


Hispanics, and Asians, and some Africans are also like that.


Blacks of the Diaspora (American, Caribbean) aren't like that. We love socializing with each other. We also love protests, but we are too dumb to organize the protest in such a way that we empower each other. So we buy the "African" attire from the Korean, and we use white owned buses, hotels, and food caterers.


Quick! How much money did blacks make from the Million Man March? How much money do blacks make from the West Indian Day Carnival in Brooklyn? Both huge events. Answer. Very little. What is disturbing is that we do NOT even discuss this.


Yet we talk about black group economics.
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Old 06-05-2016, 10:34 PM
 
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Blacks of the Diaspora (American, Caribbean) aren't like that. We love socializing with each other. We also love protests, but we are too dumb to organize the protest in such a way that we empower each other. So we buy the "African" attire from the Korean, and we use white owned buses, hotels, and food caterers.
I've been wondering if the lack of economic self help among Black-Americans is related to our transition from segregation to integration? During segregation you found a good amount of black business activity and networking among Blacks. But much of that was out of necessity brought on by segregation.

During segregation we had to have a "black this and a black that" or else blacks wouldn't have had much as far as shopping options and job options. The coming of integration changed this. With integration there was less of a necessity to have a "black this and a black that". Anyway integration changed how blacks viewed things as far as the necessity to own businesses and black networking. The necessity to buy and support black was not as strong with integration as it was under segregation. In this more integrated America Black-Americans are going to have to sort out what Black unity is in today's America especially as it relates to black economic matters.
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Old 06-06-2016, 12:05 PM
 
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I've been wondering if the lack of economic self help among Black-Americans is related to our transition from segregation to integration? During segregation you found a good amount of black business activity and networking among Blacks. But much of that was out of necessity brought on by segregation.

During segregation we had to have a "black this and a black that" or else blacks wouldn't have had much as far as shopping options and job options. The coming of integration changed this. With integration there was less of a necessity to have a "black this and a black that". Anyway integration changed how blacks viewed things as far as the necessity to own businesses and black networking. The necessity to buy and support black was not as strong with integration as it was under segregation. In this more integrated America Black-Americans are going to have to sort out what Black unity is in today's America especially as it relates to black economic matters.
Folks like to exaggerate the degree of black ownership in the South in the Jim Crow era. The business community which existed was quite small, and extremely economically vulnerable.


1. Most blacks were poor. If we had a viable economic sector, this wouldn't have been the case.


2. Most blacks worked for whites. Again this wouldn't be the case if a viable black business sector existed.


3. Much of the civil rights movement was premised upon blacks merely trying to get goods and services without the humiliation involved by Jim Crow.


4. If blacks had strong economic systems then they could have protected themselves against the worst of Jim Crow.


5. Why would the Great Migration have occurred if a solid black economic network existed in the South? These migrants encountered great humiliation, and yet the even greater poverty of the South forced them North.


6. We hear much of the Black Wall Street, and other towns. In most instances these would be what would now be considered to be lower middle class blue collar communities with mom & pop business. The fact that these communities total died off, and their residents dispersed, after they were destroyed, goes to show how economically marginal they were. If these were thriving, they would have been able to rebuild.




In fact the big mistake of the Civil Rights movement was that blacks saw themselves as consumers, and so fought for greater access to goods/services provided by mainstream entities. They should instead of put the emphasis on fighting for greater economic access. Both in terms of employment and in terms of building the infrastructure that would have allowed a business community to develop.


If blacks were indeed the owners of a viable economic system then the focus would have been on strengthening it. But if all that was able were one or two small grocery stores, then the down town supermarkets seem more alluring.
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