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Old 08-11-2014, 12:59 AM
 
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Did White South Africans really think black South Africans are going to forgive them easily for Apartheid? So naive.

They should've asked for the country to divide into two. One black majority and other White majority. Oh well, it's too late now.
This is more naive. As I told the other guy at the beginning of the thread, what you've just suggested is Apartheid, is it not?

And no, why should I expect to be forgiven for something I never did? It's just too generic of a statement and the whole "White guilt" card is overplayed. I don't expect black people (who actually suffered from Apartheid) to all be completely out of poverty and perfectly integrated into society BUT there's no reason for them not to have tried. I have plenty of friends whose parents suffered through Apartheid but they then worked hard, got an education and now THEY are in the same situation I am in. If they could do it, what is the rest who couldn't excuse?

As the saying goes, they need a hand up NOT a hand out. I'm for this idea. Give them the support they need in order to advance so that they can contribute to society and that their kids may possibly enjoy a life they couldn't. Giving them constant hand outs solves nothing.

So to summarise, I don't owe anyone an apology.
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Old 08-14-2014, 07:19 AM
 
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Did White South Africans really think black South Africans are going to forgive them easily for Apartheid? So naive.

They should've asked for the country to divide into two. One black majority and other White majority. Oh well, it's too late now.

I am a 26 year old white South African female. I did not ask for Apartheid and was 2 years old when it was abolished. Why should I not be forgiven for apartheid, why should I be blamed?
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Old 08-14-2014, 07:24 AM
 
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Why is it that every public topic in South Africa comes back to racism or Apartheid?

This topic was about a woman being outraged because a child was dragged behind a car that was hi-jacked (race of child or hi-jackers not mentioned).
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Old 08-14-2014, 10:31 AM
 
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Did White South Africans really think black South Africans are going to forgive them easily for Apartheid? So naive.

They should've asked for the country to divide into two. One black majority and other White majority. Oh well, it's too late now.
That is far too reasonable a solution to ever be permitted by the great and the good. Transnational corporations function well in dysfunctional kleptocracies. To allow for a new functional, homogenous state in the region would have defeated the entire purpose of ending apartheid.
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Old 08-14-2014, 11:38 AM
 
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I am a 26 year old white South African female. I did not ask for Apartheid and was 2 years old when it was abolished. Why should I not be forgiven for apartheid, why should I be blamed?
Sorry, but this just ticks me off. Who is blaming you for Apartheid? No on. One can't help where one is born, or the color of one's skin, but one is in control of words and actions. Being a white African you will be linked to racism your entire life. My suggestion to you is to stop being so defensive and figure out an intelligent response to questions and assumptions that will be made.
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Old 08-14-2014, 05:01 PM
 
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This is more naive. As I told the other guy at the beginning of the thread, what you've just suggested is Apartheid, is it not?

And no, why should I expect to be forgiven for something I never did? It's just too generic of a statement and the whole "White guilt" card is overplayed. I don't expect black people (who actually suffered from Apartheid) to all be completely out of poverty and perfectly integrated into society BUT there's no reason for them not to have tried. I have plenty of friends whose parents suffered through Apartheid but they then worked hard, got an education and now THEY are in the same situation I am in. If they could do it, what is the rest who couldn't excuse?

As the saying goes, they need a hand up NOT a hand out. I'm for this idea. Give them the support they need in order to advance so that they can contribute to society and that their kids may possibly enjoy a life they couldn't. Giving them constant hand outs solves nothing.

So to summarise, I don't owe anyone an apology.


good greif what a ignorant post here!!!!!! who posted this mess???????
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:27 PM
 
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I am a 26 year old white South African female. I did not ask for Apartheid and was 2 years old when it was abolished. Why should I not be forgiven for apartheid, why should I be blamed?
Hey over here in the USA if you're White you're still being blamed for the Holocaust too (though I imagine it's worse in Germany) and that blame is constantly being shoved down our throats all the time. The mantra is continuously being reinforced by mainstream media (nothing but propaganda these days). I'm sure being White and in S.A. your being blamed for apartheid is just more visible, more ever present.

Keep in mind oppression is ALWAYS orchestrated by the elite classes, no matter the country or era. It is then meted out / enforced by the enforcer class (police, military, etc.)

Common people want nothing to do with war and oppression of others, though are often caught up in the mess. What interest do ordinary people have with that business?
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:29 PM
 
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This is more naive. As I told the other guy at the beginning of the thread, what you've just suggested is Apartheid, is it not?

And no, why should I expect to be forgiven for something I never did? It's just too generic of a statement and the whole "White guilt" card is overplayed. I don't expect black people (who actually suffered from Apartheid) to all be completely out of poverty and perfectly integrated into society BUT there's no reason for them not to have tried. I have plenty of friends whose parents suffered through Apartheid but they then worked hard, got an education and now THEY are in the same situation I am in. If they could do it, what is the rest who couldn't excuse?

As the saying goes, they need a hand up NOT a hand out. I'm for this idea. Give them the support they need in order to advance so that they can contribute to society and that their kids may possibly enjoy a life they couldn't. Giving them constant hand outs solves nothing.

So to summarise, I don't owe anyone an apology.
Beautifully said.
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Old 08-15-2014, 01:05 AM
 
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Why is it that every public topic in South Africa comes back to racism or Apartheid?

This topic was about a woman being outraged because a child was dragged behind a car that was hi-jacked (race of child or hi-jackers not mentioned).
At a stretch you could maybe say the thread was about the sad state that South Africa is in?

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good greif what a ignorant post here!!!!!! who posted this mess???????
Care to elaborate?
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Old 08-21-2014, 10:34 AM
 
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It's normal for tensions to remain for generations. Look at the Middle East. There are ethnic and religious tensions there that are centuries old. Look at some of the ethnic tensions that festered after the break up of Soviet Union. Much of that tension is still there. It naive to expect people to just forget the past and move on. That's not human nature.
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