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Old 04-27-2014, 04:00 PM
 
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Old 04-28-2014, 12:12 AM
 
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Africa has been independent now for 60 years in most instances, Blaming the colonial powers is indeed old isn't it?

I do agree with the point about international "poverty" porn. This is like an industry that breeds dependency. Haiti's economy "benefitted" in certain circles because donor cash was spent on lavish living and vehicles. Not sure how much got to the people it was meant for. Sure the same goes for Africa, but then African elites seem to love it, much as they loved selling slaves 200 years ago. If these countries had governments which functioned then there would be no room for the poverty pornstars.
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Old 04-28-2014, 02:50 PM
 
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African counties should have been divided into smaller nation then combine when the felt the need to. It is a little Hypocritical to tell African counties to build themselves with only 60 years when it took centuries and wars to build European ones.
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Old 04-28-2014, 06:49 PM
 
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Wah wah wah. That is all that list was. "White people are to blame for all Africa's problems! Africans have absolutely no cultural flaws of their own that keeps themselves in their circle of poverty."

That article was nothing but a bunch of racist nonsense. Africa's biggest problem is that it doesn't look at itself in a mirror. When Africans start looking at their own flaws and correcting them then maybe that continent will have a chance at its own sustainability.
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Old 04-29-2014, 09:27 AM
 
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Africa has been independent now for 60 years in most instances, Blaming the colonial powers is indeed old isn't it?

I do agree with the point about international "poverty" porn. This is like an industry that breeds dependency. Haiti's economy "benefitted" in certain circles because donor cash was spent on lavish living and vehicles. Not sure how much got to the people it was meant for. Sure the same goes for Africa, but then African elites seem to love it, much as they loved selling slaves 200 years ago. If these countries had governments which functioned then there would be no room for the poverty pornstars.
What's 60 years in the history of a continent compared to 200 or 300 years for the english monarchy,french revolution or american revolution ??
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Old 04-29-2014, 04:38 PM
 
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What's 60 years in the history of a continent compared to 200 or 300 years for the english monarchy,french revolution or american revolution ??
Is that really a fair comparison though? I mean you'd be looking at those countries taking years to develop the technology needed to develop. Where as now things should be moving much faster as the technology is already there and you have other countries as examples to show you what worked and what didn't work.

BUT I will agree that sometimes these things do take longer than most expect. My point is mainly that yes it'll take time for African countries to recover but I don't think it's directly comparable to how long it took a lot of first world countries to develop.
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:58 PM
 
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Is that really a fair comparison though? I mean you'd be looking at those countries taking years to develop the technology needed to develop. Where as now things should be moving much faster as the technology is already there and you have other countries as examples to show you what worked and what didn't work.

BUT I will agree that sometimes these things do take longer than most expect. My point is mainly that yes it'll take time for African countries to recover but I don't think it's directly comparable to how long it took a lot of first world countries to develop.
African issues are specific to this continent,there is no fair comparison with Europe for instance,cultural colonization lasted more than hundred years,economic colonization continue to this day.
France and UK continue to dictate directly or indirectly their economic and political policies.
It will take another thousand years or more to fight corruption in Africa,it's not done yet in Europe or America where corruption is everywhere at every level.
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Old 04-29-2014, 09:03 PM
 
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France and UK continue to dictate directly or indirectly their economic and political policies.
All the one party states and state socialist over regulated economies that came after independence mainly came from African leaders wanting to model after the Soviet Union not British or French economics or their political systems.
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Old 04-29-2014, 09:57 PM
 
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All the one party states and state socialist over regulated economies that came after independence mainly came from African leaders wanting to model after the Soviet Union not British or French economics or their political systems.
True but the african countries which followed the liberal economy type failed too.
The reason most african states choose the socialist regime style was because Eastern european states,USSR,China,Cuba helped them gain independence and they did not trust the former colonial powers.

I think that the issue is much bigger than that,the way the international trade works put african countries at disadvantage.

The other problem is the financial system as it is set,hurts african economies

The european embargo on Zimbabwe is not about freedom and démocratie, it's about european control over Zimbabwe economy

Europeans armed both sides during the civil war in Biafra

Lastly,the interference of the former colonial powers in their internal affairs
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Old 04-30-2014, 08:35 AM
 
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African issues are specific to this continent,there is no fair comparison with Europe for instance,cultural colonization lasted more than hundred years,economic colonization continue to this day.
France and UK continue to dictate directly or indirectly their economic and political policies.
It will take another thousand years or more to fight corruption in Africa,it's not done yet in Europe or America where corruption is everywhere at every level.
I have a friend at work who is from Cameroon and he said something similar. Something to the extent that even though the French are no longer in Cameroon, they pretty much still own most of it and so they all hate the French still.

You can't deny though that a large portion of slow progression is also down to the African people who get put in charge afterwards. There's a very common pattern of self enrichment as soon as they get power (this is everywhere in the world) but it is easily seen in Zimbabwe and from what we can see in South African with the current government and how they are following similar patterns to Mugabe.

It's by far my biggest grievance with my country. The fact that the government now have the opportunity to fix the past but instead they are focused on the fastest way they can get rich and screw everyone who gets in their way.

Even currently from the last few weeks they are starting to show signed of media censorship as the elections are coming up (7 May) and the South African Broadcasting Corporation (Majority owned by government) has banned 2 ads from the main opposition party.

Apologies for the rant at the end but it's so frustrating to watch your country deteriorate
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