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Old 03-06-2015, 01:40 PM
 
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The Capital of Ethiopia doesn't look too underdeveloped.

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Old 03-06-2015, 03:03 PM
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Ethiopia was the only country not was not invaded or colonized by European countries. Theorically, it should have had a head start. But modern Ethiopia is not that much better than African countries.
Ethiopia converted to Christianity in the fourth century and it also established a relationship early on in 1520 with Portugal. The two countries cooperated at fighting against Muslim control of the Red Sea and the Indian ocean. Ethiopia was viewed as an ally by Portugal.

This link has some of those details.

Ethiopia: Portuguese and, Sixteenth-Seventeenth Centuries | Patachu

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Old 03-06-2015, 03:28 PM
 
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True. I don't understand why people always claim that Ethiopia was never colonized when Mussolini's Italy famously invaded and took over the country during World War II. This is part of the reason why Eritrea is separate from Ethiopia today, and Eritreans have plenty of Italian influence in their culture, right down to eating a lot of pastas and tomato based sauces with their food. I have an uncle from Eritrea who grew up there when it was still part of Ethiopia and one of the languages he speaks is Italian.
Maybe because it wasn't. The Italian military settled there and occupied their land. They didn't have peace for one second. Not all occupations create colonies. Learn the difference.

Your last point also isn't really saying much. The Italian language wasn't widespread in neither of these countries.
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Old 03-06-2015, 03:29 PM
 
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And to answer to this thread, it has been getting better over the past 10 or so years.
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Old 03-06-2015, 07:35 PM
 
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Maybe because it wasn't. The Italian military settled there and occupied their land. They didn't have peace for one second. Not all occupations create colonies. Learn the difference.

Your last point also isn't really saying much. The Italian language wasn't widespread in neither of these countries.
The majority of the League of Nations acknowledged the occupation and declared Ethiopia a colony of Italy, which is why Haile Selassie had to keep appealing to the League to help run the Italians out. So in this case, there was no difference between occupation and colonization, while you're being a d*ck. And my last point illustrates just how much Italian influence still permeates the main area of Ethiopia that Italy colonized (present day Eritrea) even today. You can go to a Eritrean restaurant today and most of them will have a menu that's practically half Italian. There's a lot more to cultural influence than just how many people speak a langauge, but the fact that many older Eriteans spoke and understand Italian adds to the fact that Italy did a thorough job of forcing their influence on the country while they were there, which is what usually happens during colonization way moreso than it does just with occupation.

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Old 03-06-2015, 09:13 PM
 
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The Capital of Ethiopia doesn't look too underdeveloped.
This is a good point! Pretty much all of the 'underdeveloped world' seems quite developed to me. They are building a subway metro line in Addis Ababa, or so I heard, which would make it more developed 'public transportation-wise' than many of the U.S.'s incredibly nearly non-existent public transportation systems. I'm not saying Addis has tons of cool stuff by any means, I'm just saying that many U.S. cities are incredibly poor representations for supposedly being 'developed' fully.

I was in Addis Ababa last year around this time, cool to see the video, and reminisce all of those places I was walking around and such.
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Old 03-07-2015, 04:58 AM
 
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This is a good point! Pretty much all of the 'underdeveloped world' seems quite developed to me. They are building a subway metro line in Addis Ababa, or so I heard, which would make it more developed 'public transportation-wise' than many of the U.S.'s incredibly nearly non-existent public transportation systems. I'm not saying Addis has tons of cool stuff by any means, I'm just saying that many U.S. cities are incredibly poor representations for supposedly being 'developed' fully.

I was in Addis Ababa last year around this time, cool to see the video, and reminisce all of those places I was walking around and such.
Yeah I saw they built a light railway I was shocked! Go Ethiopia! African tigers? I think within the next two decades Africa will become the new Asia.


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Old 03-07-2015, 06:22 AM
 
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The majority of the League of Nations acknowledged the occupation and declared Ethiopia a colony of Italy, which is why Haile Selassie had to keep appealing to the League to help run the Italians out. So in this case, there was no difference between occupation and colonization, while you're being a d*ck. And my last point illustrates just how much Italian influence still permeates the main area of Ethiopia that Italy colonized (present day Eritrea) even today. You can go to a Eritrean restaurant today and most of them will have a menu that's practically half Italian. There's a lot more to cultural influence than just how many people speak a langauge, but the fact that many older Eriteans spoke and understand Italian adds to the fact that Italy did a thorough job of forcing their influence on the country while they were there, which is what usually happens during colonization way moreso than it does just with occupation.
So what if they declared it a colony? It wasn't the same as the rest. I guess the Nazi's colonised Europe too didn't they. Eritrea isn't a part of Ethiopia no more if you haven't realised. There's no taste of Italy left in Ethiopia at all. I would know as I've been there.

I'm guessing you're African American.
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Old 03-07-2015, 07:55 AM
 
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So what if they declared it a colony? It wasn't the same as the rest. I guess the Nazi's colonised Europe too didn't they. Eritrea isn't a part of Ethiopia no more if you haven't realised. There's no taste of Italy left in Ethiopia at all. I would know as I've been there.

I'm guessing you're African American.
Obviously I know Ethiopia and Eritrea are separate countires now, as I have pointed that out multiple times. But Eritrea has only been a separate country from Ethiopia for about 20 years now. That's barely even one full generation. The history of the two countries are still and always will be deeply connected, and you can't talk about the history and conditions of one without discussing the history and conditions of the other. And what difference would it make if I am "African American"? Especially two someone who lives in SWEDEN (lol). I don't care if you have been on a trip to Ethiopia before. I have already told you that I have Ethiopians and Eritreans in my family, so I grew up around them and have heard their stories and perspectives, so I know what I am talking about. You, on the other hand, sound like a geeky little white guy who just read a few excerpts from a couple history books and now fancies himself an "expert" on Ethiopia and Africa in general.
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Old 03-07-2015, 08:12 AM
 
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Obviously I know Ethiopia and Eritrea are separate countires now, as I have pointed that out multiple times. But Eritrea has only been a separate country from Ethiopia for about 20 years now. That's barely even one full generation. The history of the two countries are still and always will be deeply connected, and you can't talk about the history and conditions of one without discussing the history and conditions of the other. And what difference would it make if I am "African American"? Especially two someone who lives in SWEDEN (lol). I don't care if you have been on a trip to Ethiopia before. I have already told you that I have Ethiopians and Eritreans in my family, so I grew up around them and have heard their stories and perspectives, so I know what I am talking about. You, on the other hand, sound like a geeky little white guy who just read a few excerpts from a couple history books and now fancies himself an "expert" on Ethiopia and Africa in general.
I didn't say they are not connected, because historically they are. If you really have heard their perspectives, then you will know for a fact Italy only occupied Ethiopia, not colonised it.
I guess it's better to read history books and give facts instead of giving an unsourced fact like you're doing. I wouldn't really call myself an expert on Ethiopia and Africa either, that's why you hardly find me in this forum.
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