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Old 03-07-2015, 08:20 AM
 
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True. I don't understand why people always claim that Ethiopia was never colonized when Mussolini's Italy famously invaded and took over the country during World War II. This is part of the reason why Eritrea is separate from Ethiopia today, and Eritreans have plenty of Italian influence in their culture, right down to eating a lot of pastas and tomato based sauces with their food. I have an uncle from Eritrea who grew up there when it was still part of Ethiopia and one of the languages he speaks is Italian.
Are you really that ignorant to claim a 5 yr occupation as colonisation. In that case most of Europe was colonised by the Nazis. And the amount of ignorance in this thread is really pathetic. Atleast research the country your comenting on before giving your opinion.

Anyway most of Haile selassie soldiers were conducting guerilla warfare with the italians during this occupation with the help of the british. Eritrea was colonised, but it was willfully given by the Ethiopian emperor Menelik as a gift to the italians as a way to weaken their Abyssinian rivals the Tigrays and their legitimate claim to the throne. Most of Eritrea was Tigray land. The Tigrinya people never forgave menelik and the Amharas for this. Thats why we had the 30 yr Etitrean conflict as after this betrayal, the Tigrinya people didnt want to associate themselves with Ethiopia. Menelik also conspired to kill Tigrays king Yohannes IV in the mahdi war. Theres alot of backstabbing in Ethiopian politics.
Yohannes was considered a great loss because he was seen as an intelligent and progressive reformer who could have modernised Ethiopia and had a great relationship with European powers(he successfully convinced portugal to help him in his fight against the Arab lead Adul Sultunate) and Menelik contributed to his downfall.




TewedrosII


Ethiopias situation also had to do with the fact its leaders failed to move from a slave/serfdom based economy to an industry based one. King Tewedros II who ended an unstable era of Ethiopian history called the Era of wealthy prince and was a prominent figure in 19th century Abyssinian politics failed in his mission to modernise the country. His story is quite interesting actually for anyone interested in Ethiopian history.

http://www.reddit.com/r/history/comm...y_of_tewodros/

Not to mention 30 yrs of brutal socialism which lead to a brain drain and 25 years of ethnic wars. Ethiopias diversity is also a curse. Its also the largest landlocked country in the world which doesnt help at all. Which is why the Eritrean issue is important to every Ethiopian.


Also capitalism is seen by the Ethiopian church as an evil, and the Ethiopian church invariably swayed public opinion .

Islam also played a major role in Ethiopias poor state. Before islam, Ethiopia was interacting with the west. In fact Aksum, the protoethiopian empire controlled half of the arab peninsula and was considered one of four major regional superpowers by a persian King. It traded with persia, Rome, India, Greece and the Arab world and had a monpoly on the red sea trade routes. Greek kings wrote about aksumites reading greek literature and philosophy, the ancient language of ethiopia, geez was hellenized to allow cultural and trade links with greece. We also had economic hegemony all over Arabia. If you read Islamic and Arabic texts, they told of a great empire called the habeshas(which meant mongrel in Arabic), who controlled yemen and had influence hajji and Arabian politics. In fact prophet mohammed and the first muslims fled to Aksum in the First Hijra because they knew Arabs feared the Aksumites. They were the big boys in Arabian politics.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kamran..._b_403664.html


When islam united the Arab tribes, the Arabians and Persians pretty much kicked the Ethiopians out of yemen and isolated us for a thousand years from the world markets. We retreated to the Ethiopian highlands. For the next tbousand years, we were being attacked by muslims on all fronts. We were the only christian nation surrounded by arabised nations. This isolation meant most things remained unchanged in Ethiipia for a thousand years. Our christian faith is stll being practice to how it was a thousand years ago. Economic practices remained unchanged. Technological advancement was stagnant. We had a medeival semi feudalistic society while Europe was becoming industrialised and modernised. I guess thats why Ethiopians hate Arabs.




All in all, its complex. We could go on all day as to the reason why Ethiopia is in such a mess.

But i guess that explains why we look multiracial

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Old 03-07-2015, 08:35 AM
 
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I didn't say they are not connected, because historically they are. If you really have heard their perspectives, then you will know for a fact Italy only occupied Ethiopia, not colonised it.
I guess it's better to read history books and give facts instead of giving an unsourced fact like you're doing. I wouldn't really call myself an expert on Ethiopia and Africa either, that's why you hardly find me in this forum.
Oh, so now you are telling me WHAT and HOW my family members do and should think and feel about their own history, opinions, and life experiences from over a computer somewhere from a basement in Sweden?!? LOL, I'm done here. Have a good day...
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Old 03-07-2015, 08:52 AM
 
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Oh, so now you are telling me WHAT and HOW my family members do and should think and feel about their own history, opinions, and life experiences from over a computer somewhere from a basement in Sweden?!? LOL, I'm done here. Have a good day...
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Old 03-07-2015, 09:39 AM
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Are you really that ignorant to claim a 5 yr occupation as colonisation. In that case most of Europe was colonised by the Nazis. And the amount of ignorance on this thread is really pathetic. Atleast research the country your comenting on before giving your opinion.

Anyway most of Haile selassie soldiers were conducting guerilla warfare with the italians during this occupation with the help of the british. Eritrea was colonised, but it was willfully given by the Ethiopian emperor Menelik as a gift to the italians as a way to weaken their Abyssinian rivals the Tigrays and their legitimate claim to the throne. Most of Eritrea was Tigray land. The Tigrinya people never forgave menelik and the Amharas for this. Thats why we had the 30 yr Etitrean conflict as after this betrayal, the Tigrinya people didnt want to associate themselves with Ethiopia. Menelik also conspired to kill Tigrays king Yohannes IV in the mahdi war. Theres alot of backstabbing in Ethiopian politics.
Yohannes was considered a great loss because he was seen as an intelligent reformer who could have modernised Ethiopia and had a great relationship with European powers(he successfully convinced portugal to help him in his fight against the Mahdi army) and Menelik contributed to p his downfall.




TewedrosII


Ethiopias situation also had to do with the fact its leaders failed to move from a slave based economy to an industry based one. King Tewedros II who ended an unstable era of Ethiopian history called the Era of wealthy prince and was a prominent figure in 19th century Abyssinian politics failed in his mission to modernise the country. His story is quite interesting actually for anyone interested in Ethiopian history.

African royalty; The fascinating story of Tewodros II: The Imperial Robin Hood and the modern founder of Ethiopia : history

Not to mention 30 yrs of brutal socialism which lead to a brain drain and 25 years of ethnic wars. Ethiopias diversity is also a curse. Its also the largest landlocked country in the world which doesnt help at all. Which is why the Eritrean issue is important to every Ethiopian.


Also capitalism is seen by the Ethiopian church as an evil, and the Ethiopian church invariably swayed public opinion .

Islam also played a major role in Ethiopias poor state. Before islam, Ethiopia was interacting with the west. In fact Aksum, the protoethiopian empire controlled half of the arab peninsula and was considered one of four major regional superpowers by a persian King. It traded with persia, Rome, India, Greece and the Arab world and had a monpoly on the red sea trade routes. Greek kings wrote about aksumites reading greek literature and philosophy, the ancient language of ethiopia, geez was hellenized to allow cultural and trade links with greece. We also had economic hegemony all over Arabia. If you read Islamic and Arabic texts, they told of a great empire called the habeshas(which meant mongrel in Arabic), who controlled yemen and had influence hajji and Arabian politics. In fact prophet mohammed and the first muslims fled to Aksum in the First Hijra because they knew Arabs feared the Aksumites. They were the big boys in Arabian politics.
How the Story of Christmas Saved Islam*|*Kamran Pasha


When islam united the Arab tribes, the Arabians and Persians pretty much kicked the Ethiopians out of yemen and isolated us for a thousand years from the world markets. We retreated to the Ethiopian highlands. For the next tbousand years, we were being attacked by muslims on all fronts. We were the only christian nation surrounded by arabised nations. This isolation meant most things remained unchanged in Ethiipia for a thousand years. Our christian faith is stll being practice to how it was a thousand years ago. Economic practices remained unchanged. Technological advancement was stagnant. We had a medeival semi feudalistic society while Europe was becoming industrialised and modernised




All in all, its complex. We could go on all day as to the reason why Ethiopia is in such a mess.

But i guess that explains why we look multiracial

Just wanted to chime in about the multiracial look in Ethiopia. The Portuguese also contributed to it the military expedition of 1540 of Portuguese soldiers started the process, of the 200 survivors most remained in Ethiopia and married Ethiopian women. I'm not sure how I link into that but I do, I am of Portuguese ancestry I have less than 0.5% Sub-Saharan African admixture but I share rare SNP's with people with origins in Eritrea.
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Old 03-07-2015, 09:51 AM
 
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Old 03-07-2015, 09:54 AM
 
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Just wanted to chime in about the multiracial look in Ethiopia. The Portuguese also contributed to it the military expedition of 1540 of Portuguese soldiers started the process, of the 200 survivors most remained in Ethiopia and married Ethiopian women. I'm not sure how I link into that but I do, I am of Portuguese ancestry I have less than 0.5% Sub-Saharan African admixture but I share rare SNP's with people with origins in Eritrea.
We were always a mixed bunxh. And most of our admixture is semitiC. There were actually potraits of zagwe era(900 years ago) Ethiopian emperors who looked very mixed. Even the purer Cu****es (somalis, Oromos), have ancient eurasion blood reaching as much as 35 percent. And when we are talking about Ancient, I mean 30000 yeara ago ancient. Ethiopia and that part of Africa has always had links to Arabia and the mediteranian area becuase of the isolation of the highlands which isolated us from other african nations and the proximity to Arabia and the red sea trade routes. Thats why most languages in Ethiopia is Afroasiatic, with the Habeshas having a semitic language.

These are all ancient emperors of Ethiopia


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Old 03-07-2015, 10:03 AM
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We were always a mixed bunxh. And most of our admixture is semitiC. There were actually potraits of zagwe era(900 years ago) Ethiopian emperors who looked very mixed. Even the purer Cu****es (somalis, Oromos), have ancient eurasion blood reaching as much as 35 percent. And when we are talking about Ancient, I mean 30000 yeara ago ancient. Ethiopia and that part of Africa has always had links to Arabia and the mediteranian area becuase of the isolation of the highlands which isolated us from other african nations and the proximity to Arabia and the red sea trade routes. Thats why most languages in Ethiopia is Afroasiatic, with the Habeshas having a semitic language.

These are all ancient emperors of Ethiopia

I don't dispute that you were already mixed just wanted to point out that the Portuguese also contributed they were there 100 years. Somehow I ended up with a small amount of DNA from the region so that aspect interests me.

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Old 03-07-2015, 10:14 AM
 
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Nvm

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Old 03-07-2015, 10:49 AM
 
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I don't dispute that you were already mixed just wanted to point out that the Portuguese also contributed they were there 100 years. Somehow I ended up with a small amount of DNA from the region so that aspect interests me.
Oh okay...could be plausible
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Old 03-07-2015, 11:00 AM
 
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Are you really that ignorant to claim a 5 yr occupation as colonisation. In that case most of Europe was colonised by the Nazis. And the amount of ignorance in this thread is really pathetic. Atleast research the country your comenting on before giving your opinion.

Anyway most of Haile selassie soldiers were conducting guerilla warfare with the italians during this occupation with the help of the british. Eritrea was colonised, but it was willfully given by the Ethiopian emperor Menelik as a gift to the italians as a way to weaken their Abyssinian rivals the Tigrays and their legitimate claim to the throne. Most of Eritrea was Tigray land. The Tigrinya people never forgave menelik and the Amharas for this. Thats why we had the 30 yr Etitrean conflict as after this betrayal, the Tigrinya people didnt want to associate themselves with Ethiopia. Menelik also conspired to kill Tigrays king Yohannes IV in the mahdi war. Theres alot of backstabbing in Ethiopian politics.
Yohannes was considered a great loss because he was seen as an intelligent and progressive reformer who could have modernised Ethiopia and had a great relationship with European powers(he successfully convinced portugal to help him in his fight against the Arab lead Adul Sultunate) and Menelik contributed to his downfall.




TewedrosII


Ethiopias situation also had to do with the fact its leaders failed to move from a slave/serfdom based economy to an industry based one. King Tewedros II who ended an unstable era of Ethiopian history called the Era of wealthy prince and was a prominent figure in 19th century Abyssinian politics failed in his mission to modernise the country. His story is quite interesting actually for anyone interested in Ethiopian history.

African royalty; The fascinating story of Tewodros II: The Imperial Robin Hood and the modern founder of Ethiopia : history

Not to mention 30 yrs of brutal socialism which lead to a brain drain and 25 years of ethnic wars. Ethiopias diversity is also a curse. Its also the largest landlocked country in the world which doesnt help at all. Which is why the Eritrean issue is important to every Ethiopian.


Also capitalism is seen by the Ethiopian church as an evil, and the Ethiopian church invariably swayed public opinion .

Islam also played a major role in Ethiopias poor state. Before islam, Ethiopia was interacting with the west. In fact Aksum, the protoethiopian empire controlled half of the arab peninsula and was considered one of four major regional superpowers by a persian King. It traded with persia, Rome, India, Greece and the Arab world and had a monpoly on the red sea trade routes. Greek kings wrote about aksumites reading greek literature and philosophy, the ancient language of ethiopia, geez was hellenized to allow cultural and trade links with greece. We also had economic hegemony all over Arabia. If you read Islamic and Arabic texts, they told of a great empire called the habeshas(which meant mongrel in Arabic), who controlled yemen and had influence hajji and Arabian politics. In fact prophet mohammed and the first muslims fled to Aksum in the First Hijra because they knew Arabs feared the Aksumites. They were the big boys in Arabian politics.
How the Story of Christmas Saved Islam*|*Kamran Pasha


When islam united the Arab tribes, the Arabians and Persians pretty much kicked the Ethiopians out of yemen and isolated us for a thousand years from the world markets. We retreated to the Ethiopian highlands. For the next tbousand years, we were being attacked by muslims on all fronts. We were the only christian nation surrounded by arabised nations. This isolation meant most things remained unchanged in Ethiipia for a thousand years. Our christian faith is stll being practice to how it was a thousand years ago. Economic practices remained unchanged. Technological advancement was stagnant. We had a medeival semi feudalistic society while Europe was becoming industrialised and modernised. I guess thats why Ethiopians hate Arabs.




All in all, its complex. We could go on all day as to the reason why Ethiopia is in such a mess.

But i guess that explains why we look multiracial
Correction, yoohanne didnt make contact with the portuguese, it was an another emperor

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