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Old 04-30-2015, 12:28 AM
 
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Seriously??

While that might be a generalization, and most people are probably normal folks trying to survive, you must admit that there is a level of dysfunction in South Africa, and that those attitudes aren't too hard to find.

South Africa is still to get past the insecurities created by apartheid, which includes a siege mentality among more than a few of the poorer blacks, creating xenophobia. Ironically attacking people from countries which were very helpful in the anti apartheid struggle.
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Old 04-30-2015, 01:13 AM
 
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While that might be a generalization, and most people are probably normal folks trying to survive, you must admit that there is a level of dysfunction in South Africa, and that those attitudes aren't too hard to find.

South Africa is still to get past the insecurities created by apartheid, which includes a siege mentality among more than a few of the poorer blacks, creating xenophobia. Ironically attacking people from countries which were very helpful in the anti apartheid struggle.
A generalisation is putting it mildly. A statement like that is just plain arrogant. People should know better than just casually label an entire set of people as racists. How is the world (not just South Africa) ever going to move forward if people can't even get that much right?
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Old 05-20-2015, 09:16 PM
 
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South Africa is still to get past the insecurities created by apartheid, which includes a siege mentality among more than a few of the poorer blacks, creating xenophobia. Ironically attacking people from countries which were very helpful in the anti apartheid struggle.
Agreed, Apartheid created deep scars, it's really difficult to predict how long it will take for generations to heal.

The feelings of camaraderie are long gone I think.

The way I see it the present attacks are mainly as a result of 2 things; 1) When the new government came into power immigration laws were loosened for a short time, and people from other African countries flocked in to the new democracy both legally and illegally. The most prominent and visible were con artists, scammers, and common criminals. That caused a lot of frustration and mistrust. 2) Probably the most important factor is that poverty and unemployment are still huge issues in South Africa. Seeing others, particularly those entering the country illegally taking scarce resources is fuel on the fire.

Neither of these are justification for the barbaric behaviors, but definitely contributed to attitudes.
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Old 07-19-2015, 07:47 AM
 
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Seriously??
Seriously? What do you mean? Look at the stats of how many foreigners are assaulted, raped, vandalised, others even burnt alive! These people whoever they may be came to South Africa, due to the new democratic system, a larger economy as well (on the African scale). They are just trying to survive. It's a human thing for people to migrate. You would also find that your ancestors, the Bantu-speakers came from the north, into what is now called South Africa, probably around the same time, Jesus Christ was living. Why should they be treated so barbarically by people of the same color? Can you answer that? It was those same African countries which stood by you in solidarity against the Apartheid regime (the White man's whip) for so many years. If it wasn't for them, you would still signs everywhere saying "Slegs Blankes" or "Europeans Only". White South Africans would still call you "Kaffirs" or "Bobbejan". You have quickly forgotten how far you came! It 's time for Africans to come together and seat at the table. Today, people are flocking to South Africa, tomorrow, people may be flocking to Angola, Mozambique, etc...
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Old 07-19-2015, 12:28 PM
 
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Seriously? What do you mean? Look at the stats of how many foreigners are assaulted, raped, vandalised, others even burnt alive! These people whoever they may be came to South Africa, due to the new democratic system, a larger economy as well (on the African scale). They are just trying to survive. It's a human thing for people to migrate. You would also find that your ancestors, the Bantu-speakers came from the north, into what is now called South Africa, probably around the same time, Jesus Christ was living. Why should they be treated so barbarically by people of the same color? Can you answer that? It was those same African countries which stood by you in solidarity against the Apartheid regime (the White man's whip) for so many years. If it wasn't for them, you would still signs everywhere saying "Slegs Blankes" or "Europeans Only". White South Africans would still call you "Kaffirs" or "Bobbejan". You have quickly forgotten how far you came! It 's time for Africans to come together and seat at the table. Today, people are flocking to South Africa, tomorrow, people may be flocking to Angola, Mozambique, etc...
I think you missed why I'm facepalming there so let me expand a lil'. Maybe we've just got a miscommunication here

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South Africa is a land of extremes, very racist (Boers/Afrikaners) and very xenophobic (Blacks who are Bantu-speakers). People are still psychologically prisoners of the Apartheid regime.
My problem with the bold part is how ridiculously generalised it is. You've essentially lumped all Afrikaaners under the category of racists. If the world is to move forward then we need to consider why these kind of blanket statements are uncalled for. Same with saying (Blacks who are Bantu-speakers). Perhaps you're just using them as examples but as statements they're too generic to not have a full context.

Even your above paragraph use a similar generic tone
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White South Africans would still call you "Kaffirs"
All I'm asking is that you consider your statements and how they stand on their own and who they are actually referring to. But again, perhaps this is all just miscommunication?
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