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Old 11-18-2015, 05:53 PM
 
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Everybody has been invaded by someone else, everyone has been oppressed, everyone has been exploited. It just happens that only black people seem to use Colonialism and Imperialism as an excuse for their current failures and problems.

If we go back in time far enough absolutely that is true (Britain was conquered by the Romans and then the Saxons and was never a major power until the 1500-1600s)...but in modern times (1750's onward) Western European powers generally colonized/took advantage of others and not the other way around....Of course there are definite exceptions (Ireland for example) and if we include Eastern and Southern Europe many exceptions (Poland, Ukraine, Greece, Finland, Iceland, Romania, Croatia, Belarus etc etc never colonized in modern times)...And like I said some European countries were colonized themselves in modern times (Greece by the Turks, Ireland by the British, Poland by the Nazis and Russians etc)....

I agree somewhat with your main point (and if Africa gets to blame British/French/German/Belgian/Dutch Colonialism for their current problems....does that mean Greece gets to blame Turkey for Greece's current economic collapse?? There shouldn't be any double standards...Hell Greece was colonized from around 1500-1832 which was a much longer period of time than ANY African Nation was colonized)....

 
Old 11-18-2015, 07:31 PM
 
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Liberia reminds me of Detroit.
Many Blacks blame everything on oppressive White racism...yet when they are finally removed, they end up even far worse like Detroit and Liberia...

AT LASSSTTT...FREEDOM FROM DA WHITE MAN!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMwI5unlK9M&t=13m14s
Normally, when you remove the problem, things start getting better... Yet with them, it seems the opposite occurs. So does this mean that White rule actually has a net positive effect on Blacks, not negative?

And are they planning on laying the same blame game on the Chinese after they build all their infrastructure for them?
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Jews remember the Holocaust, but they do not let it hinder their future. Israel is a very developed, wealthy country, it took them 50 years to accomplish that, Israel had no resources and had to fight its neighbors for decades. The political climate in the Middle East is still very precarious, Israel is at the forefront of scientific research, Jews have suffered a lot, imo way more than Africans yet they are extremly accomplished.

Why is the IQ of Ashkenazi Jews so High? - twenty possible explanations - ImmortalLife.info
Jews complained most about Nazi's and "anti-Semitism," yet when they finally form their own country, it is the last most ethnocentric, oppressive, racist apartheid on Earth...

Takes one to know one?


So, about when should we stop enabling such victim mentality scapegoating and Freudian projection??? And start just holding people accountable for themselves? How did these "victims" fare before they met their "dominators?" What were their natural baselines? If water naturally seeks to return to those levels, how and why should we stop it in the long run???

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Old 11-22-2015, 11:48 PM
 
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The reality is that Africa will always be poor. Only South Africa has a standard of living where people get the necessities of life.


I get tired of the "poor me" syndrome that is fashionable in Africa. It does more than not help but actually hurts their potential growth. Africans use it as a stand by for everything that is wrong with their countries and societies. Instead of looking in the mirror for answers they just blame the West like somehow that's going to help. When their countries are in a downward spiral they do what they are currently doing...........find scapegoats to blame and currently it's {as always} the West and more recently homosexuals. It makes for great politics to the uneducated masses but costs them dearly.


Africans seem to think that "western" values are sinful and decadent and "un-African" and yet at the same time strive to have the standard of living enjoyed in the West.


Instead of trying these endless "African solutions" that never work, perhaps they should emulate some of the Western countries. If they choose not to that of course is their own affair but then don't come screaming for more foreign aid like somehow we "owe" it to you.


Racism, tribalism, sexism, homophobia, and xenophobia are at the very core of what ails Africa and until Africans start to acknowledge it, the poverty will continue unabated.


Perhaps it hasn't occurred to Africans that the countries in the world with the highest standards of living, lowest poverty rates, highest rates of social mobility, excellent governance, and highest quality of living are all in the countries that are the most socially progressive in terms of race, sex, sexuality, and equality and respect for humanity such as Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Canada, New Zealand to name a few. It's even evident in Africa itself where, despite it's many problems, South Africa is the most advanced country on the continent and is also the most socially progressive.


If Africa wants to remain poor, violent, undeveloped, exploited, and have the lowest quality of life anywhere on the planet then just continue the way you are...........if this is your intent, you are doing a fabulous job to make sure it continues.


In short, if you want to raise the quality of life for your citizens stop looking out the window and start looking in the mirror.
 
Old 11-24-2015, 06:53 PM
 
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Thanks for adding your opinion. By the way, Nigeria--a west African country is richer than South Africa and even has more middle class people. In fact, west Africa as a whole is richer than Southern Africa.





A 400 year long slave trade that destroyed countries and cultures, decimated populations and crippled economies would leave any country or people in bad shape. Follow that with 100 or so years of colonialism that introduced racism, colorism and tribal conflict and we have the Africa that we see on TV today.



No, in fact, they try to emulate western values, which is why they are in bad shape to begin with.



And what "African Solutions" are you referring to? Sankara, in Burkina Faso, wanted to make his country self-reliant and independent from France(he even stood up for women's rights), and they had him killed for it. Patrice Lamumba wanted the same for the Congo, and the CIA and Belgians had him killed for it. Hell, Malcolm X was trying to make this happen for Black people in North America and they had him killed for it.



And all of this was introduced by white people, thank you for agreeing with me.





In other words, they need to act like white people to succeed? White people are the ones who put where they are in the first place? Why should we act like our oppressors? Come on....



No African wants that. They are poor because poor people are easier to manipulate.
No, White people need to stop pestering Africa and let the continent stand on its own.[/quote]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...%29_per_capita

The Chinese are currently exploiting African resources, are you gonna hate on Asians now? There are more Asians than Whites, are you going to hate the entire world now?
 
Old 11-24-2015, 08:06 PM
 
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All I got from my opinion was a history lesson which again does squat.


No one is denying the fact that European colonialism had a devastating effect on Africa, it's a well accepted fact. Unfortunately every time there is a dilemma is Africa, they use this as an excuse. Slavery was horrid but would never have been possible without the help of Africans themselves but somehow that seems irrelevant.


The slave trade ended 200 years ago..........get over it. Yes there have certainly been horrid things since that time but we are still talking 50 or more years ago. China was constantly under siege from both Europeans and other Asians but has developed remarkably fast.


South America has industrialized and , despite their problems, offer a standard of living and quality of life that no African country can compare to including SA.


If you choose your continual path of destruction that is your affair but don't be surprised if the West turns off the aid..............we owe you nothing. If you want to stand on your own two feet then fine but don't come crying to the West that you need more aid. If the West is so horrid then why are Africans risking life and limb to get into Western countries? If there are human rights abuses then why call on the West every time you need help?


Africans make very conscious decisions that keep their people poor, uneducated, and mired in violence. Those things have nothing to do with West. If African countries don't feel like following the "white man's ways" of development than fine but don't complain when your people are starving.


Human rights is not a result of development but at it's very core which Africa seems to ignore and at the same time beautifully exemplify.
 
Old 11-24-2015, 08:53 PM
 
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Most African Nations didn't participate in the slave trade. Some Actually fought against it. Others who participated realized the horror and fought to end it as well. Because Europe could control the supply of guns, there was little that could be done in many cases.

Africa is not a country.

Africans were not selling “their own”, they were selling their enemies, just as the Greeks and Romans once did. Africa, just like now, was made up of different countries. They were no more selling “their own” than, say, “Europeans” were killing “their own” during the Holocaust.






Get over it? And should we also get over the holocaust? When white folks complain about reverse racism--like in South Africa--I don't recall anyone telling them to get over it.

Saying “Get over it” assumes that racism is pretty much over, that it is either dead and gone, ancient history, or at least no longer a big deal. “Get over it!” Blacks are either stuck in the past or making something out of nothing.

Saying “Get over it” assumes that whites are better judges of racism against blacks than blacks themselves! Because blacks are oversensitive, because they are like children who have it too easy and complain about every little thing. And, like children, blacks do not know what is in their own best interest – but white people do, despite their terrible record on that one.

You're admitting that the case of racism in question is true – otherwise there would be nothing to get over. So thank you for proving my point.




What? So now South America is a country? What is your point here?



If they didn't screw up Africa in the first place, there would be no need for aid. All aid did was turn most African countries into banana republics for the west--and now China. Africans risk their lives to get to Europe because their countries are run by despots put into power by the west who are allowed to stay there because they do the bidding of the west. You're proving my points again. Thanks




Wrong. The west keeps the people poor so that they can exploit the continent's resources unabated. They have everything to do with the west. The materials used to make the computer you're using to view this? They probably came from Africa. Africa could run the world if it weren't for the west horning in.



Dude, just stop.
Jews did get over the Holocaust, Israel is a developed, scientifically advanced country, they did it in 50 years with no resources. What is Africa's excuse?

I don't see why Africans can't just empower themselves, black people should either shut up know your place or do something about the current status quo. Nobody pities the weak. The Chinese are gonna plunder Africa way worse than the west.

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Old 11-24-2015, 09:04 PM
 
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Africans were not selling “their own”, they were selling their enemies, just as the Greeks and Romans once did. Africa, just like now, was made up of different countries. They were no more selling “their own” than, say, “Europeans” were killing “their own” during the Holocaust.
So, why is it suddenly worse when Whites were selling Blacks than Blacks or Arabs selling Blacks? If all the Blacks were just as equally different nationally?
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Africa could run the world if it weren't for the west horning in.
Yes, just like Liberia, Detroit, etc etc!

Oh wait, then what about all the different tribal Blacks horning in on each other? Since Africa is still made up of all the different countries that wage war and practiced slavery on each other. What was Africa like before European colonialism?
 
Old 11-24-2015, 09:54 PM
 
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Jews did get over the Holocaust, Israel is a developed, scientifically advanced country, they did it in 50 years with no resources. What is Africa's excuse?

I don't see why Africans can't just empower themselves, black people should either shut up know your place or do something about the current status quo. Nobody pities the weak. The Chinese are gonna plunder Africa way worse than the west.
No resources? You mean besides the power of the whole Western bloc behind them? Yeah, no resources..except, you know, the most. Who is the main backer of Israel today? Hint Hint, it's the current superpower of the whole world.

Where do people even come up with this stuff? Israel wouldn't even exist as a nation if it weren't for the West. And you're talking about "no resources". Like, do you hear yourself talk?
 
Old 11-24-2015, 09:57 PM
 
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You know I'm just going to steal a princess, go back to Africa, and prove you all wrong, right?
 
Old 11-24-2015, 10:15 PM
 
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No resources? You mean besides the power of the whole Western bloc behind them? Yeah, no resources..except, you know, the most. Who is the main backer of Israel today? Hint Hint, it's the current superpower of the whole world.

Where do people even come up with this stuff? Israel wouldn't even exist as a nation if it weren't for the West. And you're talking about "no resources". Like, do you hear yourself talk?
Why does the US back Israel and not other African countries? Why don't African Americans advocate support for Africa? Maybe it is because African Americans don't even have any rights or power in their own country. The current "black" president cares more about Israel than he does about Kenya. He has his hands knee deep in Zionist pockets. Jews are a very accomplished group, you have to give credit where credit is due.
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