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Old 11-24-2015, 10:17 PM
 
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You know I'm just going to steal a princess, go back to Africa, and prove you all wrong, right?
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Old 11-24-2015, 10:48 PM
 
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Why does the US back Israel and not other African countries? Why don't African Americans advocate support for Africa? Maybe it is because African Americans don't even have any rights or power in their own country. The current "black" president cares more about Israel than he does about Kenya. He has his hands knee deep in Zionist pockets. Jews are a very accomplished group, you have to give credit where credit is due.
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I have no issues with Jewish people, all I'm saying is that they had help along the way. Yes, they are very accomplished...but let's not pretend for even a second that Israel did it by itself, or even would exist, or remain existing, if it weren't being propped up by the West. You realize that the land currently called Israel was donated to the Jews by Britain, right? I mean, I wouldn't call that "no resources"....they had like the most resources, in my estimation.

Well, I'm one of those "if black people want a chance at true social equality, they will have to go back to Africa" types...a Garveyist...though as I am, you know, from Africa, perhaps I'm ignorant as to how hard that actually is. However, I feel like, if they want racism to not be an issue...that will only be the case in sub Saharan Africa. In America, they will always be an "out group". Just my thoughts, and I think it's easy for me to think that because going back to Africa isn't particularly difficult for me.

The current American president is...well, I'm not going to say anything bad about him to watch my own back. Let's say, seemingly unaware. Or reluctant to accept basic give ins. He'll come to his own understanding in time. It's not him I'm worried about, it is not on his word for which I move. His name is "Blessings" for a reason, I only need his blessing, not his consent. The consent I seek isn't his to give. It's not his choice in the end, it's only his blessing I seek. Well, it would be nice anyway. To be honest, I'm more worried about his wife's blessings.

Africans are poor? I doubt it! But you don't have to believe me, all you need to do is watch.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 12:34 AM
 
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So superiormegaman, why exactly is Africa poor?


Most of the planet wants absolutely nothing to do with Africa and in fact aiding Africa {except in times of immediate humanitarian aid} is not popular in the West. It's usually considered money down the drain and Westerners would far rather give it to other struggling nations in Asia or Latin America. As far as most countries on the rest of the planet goes, Africa is a right-off.


Africa is viewed as being beautiful but barbaric, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, violent, poor, unequal, uneducated, and a placed to be avoided at all costs. The only exception use to be North Africa but now even that's gone. African countries are seen as being completely untrustworthy, corrupt, and human rights violators.


When I said slavery happened and get over it I meant it. That doesn't mean it should ever be forgotten but Africans use it as an eternal excuse as to why their countries are at the very bottom of every quality of life index. Instead of making things possible they simply make say that things are impossible due to slavery, the West, woman, another tribe, religious reasons, homosexuals............anything that can successfully shift the blame to anybody but themselves.


Yes, Africans have made many decisions that having nothing to do with West that have held back their economic, social, and political progress.


African will always be poor. It will never enter the 21st century economy because they are trying to develop such an economy using 18th century values and norms. Africa has chosen to live by antiquated values and yet somehow can seem to draw the relation as to why it has an 18th century economy.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 01:08 AM
 
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African will always be poor.
How can it always be poor when it hasn't always been poor?
 
Old 11-25-2015, 04:44 AM
 
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How can it always be poor when it hasn't always been poor?

"Poor" isn't necessary a bad thing, I don't think the western consumption based lifestyle is sustainable, look at all the pollution. Africans can do what they want to do, if they want to progress they need to help themselves.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 06:29 AM
 
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They are poor because they know that to become rich, they'd have to give up their traditional ways, which is a no-no for them. Great, more power to them, but that doesn't allow them to send to the West all their surplus population who naively want the best of both worlds .
 
Old 11-25-2015, 01:05 PM
 
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They are poor because they know that to become rich, they'd have to give up their traditional ways, which is a no-no for them. Great, more power to them, but that doesn't allow them to send to the West all their surplus population who naively want the best of both worlds .
That's not why Africans are poor.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 04:26 PM
 
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No, they didn't. Germany had to pay for the WWII and is in debt to this day because of it. The jews got reparations for the holocaust.

Africans can't empower themselves because of the scourge of colonialism and slavery. The Chinese are doing what the US and Europe have done, but they will fail.


Again you are proving my point.................they can't do anything because of what happened in the past. You are using the stand-by excuse in order to looking at yourselves and seeing ways you can improve your situation. Using excuses or scapegoats makes for great politics for the uneducated masses but get's you absolutely no where.


If African countries decide to continue on their paths of human rights violators, degradation of women, violence, corruption, endless wars, and poverty then they get what they deserve. They are autonomous countries but at the same time don't cry for more Aid and don't come flooding into our countries.


Africa was indeed wronged by the European powers in grotesque fashions but that was long ago and most of Africa's current problems are completely self-inflicted.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 06:50 PM
 
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If by "long ago" you mean 50 years ago, then yes..long ago.

Africans aren't even poor now, so this whole thread is moot.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 08:22 PM
 
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I have no issues with Jewish people, all I'm saying is that they had help along the way. Yes, they are very accomplished...but let's not pretend for even a second that Israel did it by itself, or even would exist, or remain existing, if it weren't being propped up by the West. You realize that the land currently called Israel was donated to the Jews by Britain, right? I mean, I wouldn't call that "no resources"....they had like the most resources, in my estimation.
LMAO, and Africa has received multiple times more aid than even Israel! And yet has only plummeted even further into complete depravity!
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US Foreign aid to Africa began in the 1960s as many African nations gained independence and the United States sought strategic alliances to counter the influence of the Soviet Union.

In 2012, the United States provided nearly $12 billion in official development assistance (“ODA”) to African nations. The ODA is allocated to education, health, infrastructure and economic development programs in recipient countries. Currently, the United States allocates foreign aid to 47 African nations
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Calls for more aid to Africa are growing louder, with advocates pushing for doubling the roughly $50 billion of international assistance that already goes to Africa each year.

Over the past 60 years at least $1 trillion of development-related aid has been transferred from rich countries to Africa. Yet real per-capita income today is lower than it was in the 1970s, and more than 50% of the population -- over 350 million people -- live on less than a dollar a day, a figure that has nearly doubled in two decades.

As recently as 2002, the African Union, an organization of African nations, estimated that corruption was costing the continent $150 billion a year, as international donors were apparently turning a blind eye to the simple fact that aid money was inadvertently fueling graft. With few or no strings attached, it has been all too easy for the funds to be used for anything

Irwin Blumenthal (whom the IMF had appointed to a post in the country's central bank) warned in 1978 that the system was so corrupt that there was "no (repeat, no) prospect for Zaire's creditors to get their money back." Still, the IMF soon gave the country the largest loan it had ever given an African nation. According to corruption watchdog agency Transparency International, Mobutu Sese Seko, Zaire's president from 1965 to 1997, is reputed to have stolen at least $5 billion from the country.

across Africa, over 70% of the public purse comes from foreign aid

Ethiopia, where aid constitutes more than 90% of the government budget


Africa remains the most unstable continent in the world, beset by civil strife and war. Since 1996, 11 countries have been embroiled in civil wars. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, in the 1990s, Africa had more wars than the rest of the world combined.
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The Congo also sold donated food supplies and used the funds to purchase an arms factory from Italy.

Donated money is just as likely to go astray. President Mobutu of Zaire managed to build a fortune in his Swiss bank account that was estimated as high as $10 billion.

Marxist autocratic regimes were often heavily financed by European governments—especially when those governments were in the hands of left-of-center parties.

for ten years before the 1992 famine, Somalia was the “largest recipient of aid in sub-Saharan Africa,” but that most of the funds were “lost in the corrupt maze of the Somali government’s nepotistic bureaucracy.” Italy alone sent over $1 billion to fund projects in Somalia from 1981 to 1990 even though the regime was murdering its opponents.

The New York Times reported that when President Julius Nyerere of Tanzania announced a radical Marxist program, “many Western aid donors, particularly in Scandinavia, gave enthusiastic backing to this socialist experiment, pouring an estimated $10 billion into Tanzania over 20 years.”
The World Bank says that from 1965 to 1988 the Tanzanian economy shrank on average 0.5 percent each year and that personal consumption dropped by 43 percent.

Most of the problems that African nations face today are self-inflicted. Africa is the last major bastion of heavily regulated markets. This has lead to stagnancy and decline. The continent itself is rich in resources, but the incentive to produce has been destroyed by government policies.

Prior to colonialization Africa had no such thing as the nation-state. It was a collection of hundreds and hundreds of distinct tribal cultures, many of which had long histories of antagonism toward one another. The European colonies merged these diverse tribes into the modern nation-state, which, as long as the central government was controlled by “neutral” Europeans, kept the conflicts to a minimum.

Westerners are terrified of criticizing a black-ruled country lest they be called racist. Ghanaian economist George Ayittey complained: “White rulers in South Africa could be condemned, but not black African leaders guilty of the same political crimes.”

The inescapable fact is that African governments are destroying their own economies—often with aid from the West. And these same governments simply refuse to listen to advice given by non-Africans.

The only option for the West is one of benign neglect.

One good business contract is worth more to Africa than a thousand consultants, and one new factory has more value than a hundred million dollars of aid. In the end, Africa will have to solve its own problems.
And on and on and on...you get the picture:

Yet still no self-accountability...just more victim mentality excuses, lol!
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