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Old 10-31-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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Countries are poor because they have a high level of corruption and/or they haven't adopted Capitalism.
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Corruption in Africa is pretty rampant. Overall lack of infrastucture, quality of education are also factors.
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Many Africans are poor because a few Africans are extremely wealthy and aren't interested in..distributing their wealth.
Ditto, ditto, and ditto.

When the Ebola epidemic became public I began reading some African newspapers and discovered real investigative journalists, something we in the US are sorely lacking nowadays. Also, due to the journalists, I became aware of some incredibly creative people with simple and cost effective solutions to health and sanitation problems, that implemented, would have made a significant impact. Alas, due to the above noted corruption these people were brushed aside in favor of large corporate contracts and international governmental aid that no doubt found its way into dictator hands.

I truly believe capitalism would take off running if seed money found its way into the people's hands. There are creative and willing people in Africa. As usual, government is the problem, not the solution.

 
Old 10-31-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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Africa is an incredibly rich continent in resources
But like us is having some distribution issues
 
Old 10-31-2015, 08:57 PM
 
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Hong Kong was a British colony for 100 years, Hong Kong gained independence in 1997, it has one of the highest gdp per capita on Earth, same with Australia, Canada and New Zealand. Colonialism was not necessary a bad thing.
The colonisers never left Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
 
Old 10-31-2015, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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The colonisers never left Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
Yup. European colonialism was generally good for the empire and the colonisers, and not the natives. The aboriginal populations of those three nations still aren't havibg a very good run of things compared to the descendants of colonisers and immigrants, generally...

The exits of various EU nations from their African, Latin American, and Asian colonial holdings was often quite messy and once again done solely for their benefit, leaving power and economic vacuums that in many cases still exist today.
 
Old 11-01-2015, 12:58 AM
 
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Another reason of MANY...I guess given all the multiple factors and lifestyle choices RADICALLY different than the rest of the world, the only realistic (but rhetorical) question would be - why SHOULDN'T Africa be poor???

Why in the world would you think you can be and act so differently...yet magically expect the same results???

Their fertility rate is high because their infant mortality rate is high, it kind of balances out.

 
Old 11-01-2015, 01:28 AM
 
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Yup. European colonialism was generally good for the empire and the colonisers, and not the natives. The aboriginal populations of those three nations still aren't havibg a very good run of things compared to the descendants of colonisers and immigrants, generally...

The exits of various EU nations from their African, Latin American, and Asian colonial holdings was often quite messy and once again done solely for their benefit, leaving power and economic vacuums that in many cases still exist today.
When the colonizers left there was in most cases a viable infrastructure - roads, water, health, schools, government, police, army, etc. Maybe some weren't the best but they were a start. The "aboriginal" populations should have provided the resources for the power vacuums - all claimed, and some fought for, independence and democracy.

Unfortunately the revolutions have in most cases come the full circle. The "benefits" have been transferred from the colonizers to a few privileged benefactors (who have acquired, or often been given in terms of restitution, ridiculous amounts of wealth). This wealth is now being used for "their benefit" - often stashed away in overseas bank accounts!

So what has changed - one set of abusers have been replaced by another. And now there also the stealth colonization of Africa by countries like China who are after Africa's natural resources at bargain prices.
 
Old 11-01-2015, 03:07 AM
 
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When the colonizers left there was in most cases a viable infrastructure - roads, water, health, schools, government, police, army, etc. Maybe some weren't the best but they were a start. The "aboriginal" populations should have provided the resources for the power vacuums - all claimed, and some fought for, independence and democracy.

Unfortunately the revolutions have in most cases come the full circle. The "benefits" have been transferred from the colonizers to a few privileged benefactors (who have acquired, or often been given in terms of restitution, ridiculous amounts of wealth). This wealth is now being used for "their benefit" - often stashed away in overseas bank accounts!

So what has changed - one set of abusers have been replaced by another. And now there also the stealth colonization of Africa by countries like China who are after Africa's natural resources at bargain prices.

Are blacks gonna start blaming Asians for all of their problems in the future? Asians know what they are getting into and they will not be hindered by "guilt".
 
Old 11-01-2015, 03:14 AM
 
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What I am about to say isn't politically correct in the slightest, it may disturb the idealistic, egalitarian world views that you hold. However, if you think about what I am about to say, it explains quite a lot.

Africans are poor because they are less intelligent on average than others. This is because thousands of years ago when groups of people left Africa, their ancestors were the ones that stayed behind. They were the ones that lacked the curiosity and drive to explore that went along with increased intelligence, in other words, the dumber individuals stayed behind (this is still the case today). In addition to this, the humans that migrated out of Africa experienced countless evolutionary challenges that the average Africans ancestors did not. The ones who left had to deal with temperatures ill suited for humans, lack of food and many other difficult situations. These people had to overcome these challenges, or they died off. So only the smarter humans that left Africa actually survived long enough to reproduce, further increasing the intelligence gap. What we are left with is the IQ gap we see today.

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Old 11-01-2015, 03:31 AM
 
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What I am about to say isn't politically correct in the slightest, it may disturb the idealistic, egalitarian world views that you hold. However, if you think about what I am about to say, it explains quite a lot.

Africans are poor because they are less intelligent on average than others. This is because thousands of years ago when groups of people left Africa, they were the ones that stayed behind. They were the ones that lacked the curiosity and drive to explore that went along with increased intelligence, in other words, the dumber individuals stayed behind (this is still the case today). In addition to this, the humans that migrated out of Africa experienced countless evolutionary challenges that the average Africans did not. The ones who left had to deal with temperatures ill suited for humans, lack of food and many other difficult situations. These people had to overcome these challenges, or they died off. So only the smarter humans that left Africa actually survived long enough to reproduce, further increasing the intelligence gap. What we are left with is the IQ gap we see today.

Most people outside of Africa are well aware of this, it is just black people who refuse to accept the obvious truth. Black people can either accept reality or not, but playing the blame game;racism, colonialism will not change their countries for the better. Non-blacks will not view them any better either.
 
Old 11-01-2015, 03:46 AM
 
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Most people outside of Africa are well aware of this, it is just black people who refuse to accept the obvious truth. Black people can either accept reality or not, but playing the blame game;racism, colonialism will not change their countries for the better. Non-blacks will not view them any better either.
The curious thing about this issue is nobody I have ever talked to had a problem recognizing racial differences in athletics. People of African ancestry absolutely dominate others in certain events. Nobody would say that the reason that African sprinters outnumber Caucasian sprinters is because of better training, better diet, etc.. Everyone is aware that the differences are caused by physical differences due to our evolutionary pasts. In addition to this, nobody would push for affirmative action in sports events to even the playing field, they would be laughed at.

**I do not condone racist behavior in the slightest. What I am saying doesn't imply that every person of x race is better than every person of y race at a certain thing, it just means that on average there exist differences. Everyone should be treated based on their own individual merits, not the average merits of their race.
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