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Old 11-01-2015, 11:41 PM
 
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Black Americans live in one of the richest, if not the richest, countries in the world. You can expect third-world poverty within America where people don't have access to clean water, etc.
Detroit isn't that much better than Somalia.
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Old 11-01-2015, 11:48 PM
 
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I don't think that is a fair comparison. Hong Kong is merely a city and it was annexed by China, a huge industrialized and developed country.

Different colonies were treated and administered differently.

Another former British colony - and a rather large country - is Myanmar (formerly Burma) and it is mired in political corruption and poverty. I just looked it up and Myanmar ranks at #150 in the Human Development Index ... very poor. Yet Myanmar, like many African countries, is rich in natural resources.

China is not an industrialized or developed country. The Chinese themselves call it the world's largest developing country. Hong Kong was ceded to the British Empire after the Opium Wars, it was returned to China in 1997. Hong Kong to this day has an autonomous government that practise Capitalism. Mainland China is currently a "Socialist" country with market economy.

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Old 11-01-2015, 11:54 PM
 
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LOL. Are you seriously delusional enough to make up stuff like this to make yourself feel better? If the "ones that stayed" were so strong and good at fighting, why didn't they colonize Europe and Asia and make those people slaves?

Black people are so easily offended when it comes to their shortcomings, instead of defending their failures, why don't they use some of that energy and actually accomplish something once in a while.
 
Old 11-02-2015, 02:24 AM
 
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Are blacks gonna start blaming Asians for all of their problems in the future? Asians know what they are getting into and they will not be hindered by "guilt".
Fortunately "guilt" is something you can decide to accept or not. I believe that in my time in Africa I, and my family, gave as much (if not more?) than we ever received.

I have no guilt and I wish that others would stop making excuses for their failed regimes and societies. Blaming the past will not improve the future.

The future of Africa will be improved by stopping the rampant greed, corruption, nepotism, entitlement and kakistocracy.
 
Old 11-02-2015, 03:09 AM
 
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Dear Friends

The term poor is relative. What do we call poor! is it related to wealth, i mean money? lifestyle? or what?
I personally believe that in terms of politic, economy, administration and educationally the colonialism had it´s impact. The colonialism banned all the Economic African Basis and introduce new forms.

Most of the African countries are economically poor because they are simply dependent, they use political policies that are not connected to their lifestyle but they feel forced by the capitalists. If they don´t accept they are destroyed (Kadafi, Samora, Eduardo Mondlane and others). Nowadays, Zimbabwe is one example of that).

Theoretically, Africa should fight to eradicate hunger, low quality of education and sanitation. But practically, Africa should be depended economically. The programs to finance Agriculture, education and sanitation are not clear. Is possible to see that the people who planned are not from Africa, are based on their experiences in their developed country. If Africans fail to give a great report for the next periods there is no more support. If Africans invent something, they are given a price: go the the developed countries and live there: rich countries buy African Brains.

The capitalists design the basis of education for Africans. Education is a tool of development. Mostly Africans are not creating their technologies, but they simply use the inventions from other powerful countries.

Non of the so called ´´poor country´´ make it´s decision without the interference of Rich countries!
But the corruption in Africa is real but is promoted by capitalists. The other option that i would recommend is Jered Dymond (Guns, Germs and Steel).

HIGH QUALITY OF EDUCATION IS A TOOL TO DEVELOP AFRICA, Education is FREEDOM.

But the result of our analysis will depend on more sources consulted or our experience.

Thanks for your attention.

Abdul

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Old 11-02-2015, 03:47 AM
 
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Dear Friends

The term poor is relative. What do we call poor! is it related to wealth, i mean money? lifestyle? or what?
I personally believe that in terms of politic, economy, administration and educationally the colonialism had it´s impact. The colonialism banned all the Economic African Basis and introduce new forms.

Most of the African countries are economically poor because they are simply dependent, they use political policies that are not connected to their lifestyle but they feel forced by the capitalists. If they don´t accept they are destroyed (Kadafi, Samora, Eduardo Mondlane and others). Nowadays, Zimbabwe is one example of that).

Theoretically, Africa should fight to eradicate hunger, low quality of education and sanitation. But practically, Africa should be depended economically. The programs to finance Agriculture, education and sanitation are not clear. Is possible to see that the people who planned are not from Africa, are based on their experiences in their developed country. If Africans fail to give a great report for the next periods there is no more support. If Africans invent something, they are given a price: go the the developed countries and live there: rich countries buy African Brains.

The capitalists design the basis of education for Africans. Education is a tool of development. Mostly Africans are not creating their technologies, but they simply use the inventions from other powerful countries.

Non of the so called ´´poor country´´ make it´s decision without the interference of Rich countries!
But the corruption in Africa is real but is promoted by capitalists. The other option that i would recommend is Jered Dymond (Guns, Germs and Steel).

HIGH QUALITY OF EDUCATION IS A TOOL TO DEVELOP AFRICA, Education is FREEDOM.

But the result of our analysis will depend on more sources consulted or our experience.

Thanks for your attention.

Abdul

What Africans do is their business, non-Africans really don't have the right to judge. But Africans should not blame all their problems on "racism" and "Colonialism" all the time and ask for hand outs.
 
Old 11-02-2015, 05:54 AM
 
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African countries are generally poor, but their also generally rural and being poor in a rural area were everyone else is poor, you don't see yourself necessarily as poor, you just see yourself as rural people. Only in African cities with slums do Africans really see themselves as poor.

"Africa is poor because Africa has never had a large empire (stretching multiple continental Regions/subcontinents) rule a region except for Northern Africa unlike Europe and Asia. This means their was never golden cities, were knowledge and learning could happen, because all the empires were to small to have all the right resources to be transported to one urban node of development, this is why Africa and other places like Oceania and North/South America have/had so many native ethnic groups with their own language., To develop Africa having a lot of small nations would cause constant friction instead of one nation stabilizing a Region. For example China used to have dozens or more ethnic groups with different languages who had a vague Chinese culture, but because of a large Stabilizing Dynasty, these cultures mixed and blended naturally and forcibly by some of the emperors and a Chinese script was formed unifying the Chinese people allowing for the normal intellectuals of what would have been dozens of warring nations to congregate in one or multiple urban nodes of knowledge, invention and learning. Same thing happened with Japan. While in Africa small tribes with each of their own territory that often wasn't even 100 miles or 10,000 people developed and without a unifying government it wasn't safe to travel to other urban nodes and their was the stigma of they were different from you which made everything harder, so intellectuals couldn't go to a central place to share and develop ideas."



I stated this earlier, If Africans aren't as smart on average how come when placed in the American system, Africans and specifically Nigerian Americans are the most highly educated group in the U.S by far, looking at IQ numbers in a country were most of the schools are rubbish compared to American schools is laughable. I am not blaming Racism or Colonialism but look how fast Africa is catching up with the first world what took most European countries 200 years to do, because of the modern world influencing Africa, Africa is expected to compress that advancement in 40 years. Even with corrupt leaders African countries are still growing in Life Expectancy, Economy etc. at a faster rate than any European Country ever did. Just look at world renown Geographer Hans Rosling on their TED Talks,
 
Old 11-02-2015, 08:09 AM
 
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African countries are generally poor, but their also generally rural and being poor in a rural area were everyone else is poor, you don't see yourself necessarily as poor, you just see yourself as rural people. Only in African cities with slums do Africans really see themselves as poor.

"Africa is poor because Africa has never had a large empire (stretching multiple continental Regions/subcontinents) rule a region except for Northern Africa unlike Europe and Asia. This means their was never golden cities, were knowledge and learning could happen, because all the empires were to small to have all the right resources to be transported to one urban node of development, this is why Africa and other places like Oceania and North/South America have/had so many native ethnic groups with their own language., To develop Africa having a lot of small nations would cause constant friction instead of one nation stabilizing a Region. For example China used to have dozens or more ethnic groups with different languages who had a vague Chinese culture, but because of a large Stabilizing Dynasty, these cultures mixed and blended naturally and forcibly by some of the emperors and a Chinese script was formed unifying the Chinese people allowing for the normal intellectuals of what would have been dozens of warring nations to congregate in one or multiple urban nodes of knowledge, invention and learning. Same thing happened with Japan. While in Africa small tribes with each of their own territory that often wasn't even 100 miles or 10,000 people developed and without a unifying government it wasn't safe to travel to other urban nodes and their was the stigma of they were different from you which made everything harder, so intellectuals couldn't go to a central place to share and develop ideas."



I stated this earlier, If Africans aren't as smart on average how come when placed in the American system, Africans and specifically Nigerian Americans are the most highly educated group in the U.S by far, looking at IQ numbers in a country were most of the schools are rubbish compared to American schools is laughable. I am not blaming Racism or Colonialism but look how fast Africa is catching up with the first world what took most European countries 200 years to do, because of the modern world influencing Africa, Africa is expected to compress that advancement in 40 years. Even with corrupt leaders African countries are still growing in Life Expectancy, Economy etc. at a faster rate than any European Country ever did. Just look at world renown Geographer Hans Rosling on their TED Talks,
Nigerian Americans are obviously the smartest Nigerians who left Africa. African-Americans on the other hand don't do very well. Life Expectancy in Asia actually increased the most for the last 50 years. If you want the world to respect you you need to earn it. If you want the world to think Africans are smart, accomplish something. Solve Climate change, invent a new machine, cure cancer.
 
Old 11-02-2015, 08:53 AM
 
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I stated this earlier, If Africans aren't as smart on average how come when placed in the American system, Africans and specifically Nigerian Americans are the most highly educated group in the U.S by far
Because Nigerian Igbos are a small ethnic minority of Africans (only 18% of Nigerians alone) - and more the exception to, rather than the rule?

But the fact that many can academically outperform other Blacks (and other races) implies that intelligence (not race or SES) is the primary determinant there.

And their brainy contributions might be one of the reasons why Nigeria is one of the 4 largest economies in Africa (with the other 3 of mostly non-Black or mixed demographics)? Again, showing a connection between IQ & the wealth of nations?
 
Old 11-02-2015, 08:25 PM
 
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Because Nigerian Igbos are a small ethnic minority of Africans (only 18% of Nigerians alone) - and more the exception to, rather than the rule?

But the fact that many can academically outperform other Blacks (and other races) implies that intelligence (not race or SES) is the primary determinant there.

And their brainy contributions might be one of the reasons why Nigeria is one of the 4 largest economies in Africa (with the other 3 of mostly non-Black or mixed demographics)? Again, showing a connection between IQ & the wealth of nations?

Indian Americans have the highest educational achievements, they also have very high average incomes. By this logic Indians are the smartest bunch.

Nigeria has a large economy because they have a large oil reserve, it is currently the largest oil producer in Africa. Nigeria has more oil than Qatar but is somehow poorer. Nigeria still has a low per capita gdp.

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