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Old 11-05-2015, 09:10 AM
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They wanted land and they couldn't find any in Africa?

In some cases yes. My orignal post was in reference to why most Europeans immigrated. Africa is a large diverse continent I don't care to make a blanket statement.

 
Old 11-05-2015, 09:13 AM
 
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Climate.
 
Old 11-05-2015, 07:10 PM
 
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Intelligence is something that no specific race, nationality, or ethnicity has a hold on, no matter how much any group wants to push the issue in their favor. It really is more about social conditioning, access to education, parenting, etc.

I live in China. In the West, especially the US and Canada, the common stereotype is that "Asians are smart," with the Chinese being thought of as exceptional businesspeople, doctors, and scientists. That's all fine and dandy. Come over here to China; every day, I meet plenty of people who are dumb-bordering-retarded. Are they the average? No. The "average" Chinese person is average. They did average in school, have an average level of education, have average aspirations, and live average lives, with somewhat lower access to amenities than most Westerners.

The same goes for any Western nation, when it comes to white people: sure, there are plenty of wealthy, educated, cultured white folks... there are also the "rednecks," the "chavs," the rural or suburban or inner-city, "low class" people who aren't exceptionally intelligent by any means, and in many cases, make up or contribute to the average of that nation. It doesn't take a stretch of logic to figure that the same applies in African nations.

I went to middle and high school in Cambridge, MA, where the school district was well-funded, well-organized, and generally (though not always) did a good job of distributing resources. There were plenty of high-achieving African-American, Africa, and African-Caribbean kids who went on to do very good things and go on to very good universities, because they had access to the resources to do so. I have a very hard time believing that the problems in Africa can be attributed to a pervasive lack of intelligence among Africans.
Exactly what I am trying to say, wasn't trying to say Africans are smarter but why do they do so good that is because the vast majority of Africans in America here are rich(Compared to the average African), and very little are poor by American standards.
 
Old 11-05-2015, 11:49 PM
 
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Exactly what I am trying to say, wasn't trying to say Africans are smarter but why do they do so good that is because the vast majority of Africans in America here are rich(Compared to the average African), and very little are poor by American standards.

America is America, Africa is Africa, both have their pros and cons. There are smart and dumb people everywhere. The past is the past, what are Africans going to do about in incoming invasion of the Indians and the Chinese? Things are just gonna get worse.
 
Old 11-06-2015, 12:12 AM
 
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Climate.
These countries are all close to the equator, Climate isn't everything.
Colombia GDP - per capita (PPP) - Economy
Malaysia GDP - per capita (PPP) - Economy
Singapore GDP - per capita (PPP) - Economy
 
Old 11-06-2015, 08:36 AM
 
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America is America, Africa is Africa, both have their pros and cons. There are smart and dumb people everywhere. The past is the past, what are Africans going to do about in incoming invasion of the Indians and the Chinese? Things are just gonna get worse.
Indians have been in Africa for a long time. The Chinese intention is different from what the European intention was...

Perhaps the Chinese will prove themselves better economic partners..they have been improving infrastructure, after all.
 
Old 11-06-2015, 11:05 AM
 
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Arrow Water seeks its own level eventually...

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At least you admit it.

You want to call your ancestors more intelligent for having the spirit to leave? Then don't mind me calling your ancestors less competitive for not having the spirit to stay.

Kudos for connecting it to the modern phenomenon of "white flight", I hadn't even made that connection. Modern day evidence, how interesting.
Lol, why would you want to live around a bunch of irresponsible, unethical, violent parasites? Who viciously bite the hands that feed them? Where you have very little to gain and very much to lose?

Where do you choose to live, btw?

BTW, if the Africans that stayed behind were so "strong," then why did they get colonized later by those who "fled" and now live off handouts from them? And could be easily wiped off the map by any of their military forces without any trouble now??
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Let's compare this to African, Latin, and Caribbean nations, whom the UK and other colonial powers maintained primarily for their resources. The money that was pumped into them was generally for the infrastructure and maintenance of whatever resources they desired from that place - cocoa, sugar, diamonds, rubber, oil, etc - and urban/social infrastructure was primarily enacted in a way that it benefited the colonizers. The capitols and areas around whatever resource fields they were using were built up, sure, but schools were built for the colonizers' children, and education for locals was usually enacted primarily for locals who aided the empire and were awarded a higher status in society. Roads, plumbing, etc were built primarily for the areas that the colonizers lived in, conducted business in, and for access to the resources that drew them there. Universities generally focused on whatever the local specialty was - if the area was maintained for cocoa fields, for example, the university would focus almost entirely on local agriculture.

It's easy at face value to say that the colonizing nations did the right thing for the nation by setting them up with educations to make use of the resources available to them, but generally speaking, the colonizers' exits left massive vacuums. Let's think of what happens when a poor person buys a BMW or Mercedes: most likely, by the time that they can afford it, it is at the point where it starts to have mechanical problems. Even if they could afford the initial buy-in, they don't have the means to maintain it. The S500 they bought eventually loses three power windows, the seats won't move, the electrical system glitches and it won't start, the engine starts to knock... they lack the money to afford proper maintenance, so they have to use jury-rigged fixes to keep it on the road. Five years after they bought it, it is a cantankerous hulk that barely works.

This is more or less what was foisted upon post-colonial nations: they were left with ports, roads, schools, universities, electrical and aquatic infrastructure... and no means with which to maintain their operation. The colonial nations that oversaw them were able to pump money into these things because they were turning a profit on their holdings. As soon as they left and took that money with them, there was nothing to keep them going. I think of it more or less like giving a poor person a Mercedes, and then coming back in five years and blaming them for their inability to maintain the thing.
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The UK pumps money into HK; builds it up extensively; the UK abandons their colony but leaves it with one of the world's most robust financial and trade sectors, which is left in the hands of their former colonists. HK is doing great.

The UK, France, Spain, Belgium, etc pump money into African nations whose borders they carved up themselves, build up their infrastructure where it suits them to extract natural resources (which, again, HK lacked), left the nations with the physical infrastructure, but not the means with which to maintain it. Africa has a ton of problems.
Lol, right. So when Westerners built infrastructure in Hong Kong, it was an "asset" that helped build their own economic success. But when they built similar infrastructure in Africa, it was a "liability" that helped capsize them - leaving them bitter, helpless cargo cultures...

So is the real deciding factor colonialism, or culture? Does water seek its own level over time, regardless???
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The attitude in China regarding the Opium War is quite benigh, sure the British did some crap but the Qing Empire was already rotting from within. The Opium War was just a nail on the coffin. The Opium War greatly weakened the Qing dynasty which lead to the formation of the Chinese nationalist party and the eventual formation of Modern China.

Ask any person in Hong Kong how they feel about the British the answer will mostly be positive. The British built an impressive infrastructure and most importantly a strong legal system. The average person in Hong Kong is a lot more sophisticated and worldly than those in the Mainland. They do not see Colonialism as a bad thing, in fact most of them would rather have their own autonomy than to subject to corrupt Chinese rule.
You can clearly see the different cultural attitudes that result in different outcomes, here. Chinese take full accountability for their lives, almost to a fault. Africans blame everyone but themselves, to a fault. And their end results are just as radically different.
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Indians have been in Africa for a long time. The Chinese intention is different from what the European intention was...

Perhaps the Chinese will prove themselves better economic partners..they have been improving infrastructure, after all.
Absolutely. The obvious glaring difference is that colonialism is a hostile takeover and stealing possession of land (not to mention genocide, enslavement, cultural destruction, etc). What the Asians are doing is simply providing technological upgrading services that the locals can't/won't do themselves. They are supplying services, not stealing ownership. It's a simple business transaction that benefits both. And make no mistake, without outsourcing tech to these Asians, Africa will remain stuck in the Mud Age, for better or worse... I mean, how many centuries would it take for Africans to even manufacture their own cars, if ever??? So the only thing they have to offer in return, are the natural resources they happen to sit on.
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what are Africans going to do about in incoming invasion of the Indians and the Chinese? Things are just gonna get worse.
Lol, the same victimhood argument is made in inner cities in the US by rappers and other Black activists. Korean immigrants are "exploiting" Black ghettos by setting up convenience stores there - thus "raping" these "thriving" communities of profits and jobs.

IN REALITY, they are LUCKY that ANYONE would even invest their nest egg in and set up a business in an urban WARZONE and provide services there, risking life, limb, and solvency. No locals would do the same - and these hoods would be lacking even more services without such outsider involvement. The only reason Korean immigrants even do it, is because they came here poor and desperate, so must start up from the bottom...
 
Old 11-07-2015, 10:15 PM
 
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Because until a few decades ago Africa was mostly colonies of European countries
Not always true. Zimbabwe was better off when it was (British) Southern Rhodesia. Now after decades of gross mismanagement by the tyrant Robert Mugabe, it's a total basket case - unprecedented starvation, greatly declined life spans, and monetary inflation in the 1,000s of percent each year. None of the native farmers have or know how to use mechanized farm machinery as the colonial rulers did.
 
Old 11-08-2015, 01:06 AM
 
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No amount of rhetoric or "statistics" is going to change the world's opinion. 2000 years in lack of accomplishment and the current rampant corruption/disease/hunger/civil wars/lack of basic sanitation can not be ignored. If Africans want the world to think that you are smart, Africans need to work hard to build strong, stable,technically advanced countries. Global warming is a huge problem, oil will be gone soon, why don't Africans solve these problems?
 
Old 11-08-2015, 08:02 AM
 
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Go to 12:10 of this video to get to this part.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQj7V7zCqsc
If Africans are trying to "Avoid Colonialism" they need not look to Europe and the West, but rather to China who is setting up shop at a moderate clip.

They're doing it just fast enough to gain themselves an economic base and build infrastructure (which will benefit China as much as it benefits African countries), but not so fast that it starts upsetting the locals (as is being done in Europe with the so-called "refugee" crisis) who may vocally, if not violently, oppose Chinese encroachment and settlement.

And in a slightly off-track side note:
Besides, what else can China do with it's 200,000,000+ surplus males living in it's borders? Sending them to be economically productive elsewhere is good policy in many ways, the least of which is ensuring stability on the Central Kingdom's home front as 1/6th of it's population struggles to ever find a mate and becomes increasingly frustrated and discontent. Better to have those young men abroad.
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