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Old 10-29-2016, 07:36 PM
 
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It matters to me I would like to know the truth. You don't know for a fact he existed, I believe things when I see supporting facts.(I take it you don't have any)


You are arguing over the texture of a leaf, when the debate is about the state of the forest.


FACT. The largest source of enslaved peoples into the British North American colonies came from the same geographic, ethnic, and religious context that Kunta Kinte came from. So even if an actual Haley ancestor called Kunta Kinte didn't exist the reality is many fictive Kunta Kintes existed.


This is irrelevant to a discussion about whether there is validity to a claim that pan Africanism is valid.
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Old 10-29-2016, 08:05 PM
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You are arguing over the texture of a leaf, when the debate is about the state of the forest.


FACT. The largest source of enslaved peoples into the British North American colonies came from the same geographic, ethnic, and religious context that Kunta Kinte came from. So even if an actual Haley ancestor called Kunta Kinte didn't exist the reality is many fictive Kunta Kintes existed.


This is irrelevant to a discussion about whether there is validity to a claim that pan Africanism is valid.

I will decide which arguments I find relevant thank you very much. You are the one that claimed Kunta Kinte was a real person so either put up or shut up. I'm guessing you can't put up so I'll move along.
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Old 11-13-2016, 03:46 PM
 
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I think its exist..
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Old 11-13-2016, 08:13 PM
 
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Viewed video of a Nigerian immigrant to the U.S. She didn't think of herself as "Black" until that identity was "forced" upon
her in some social situations with American whites...In Nigeria, she thought of herself in terms of ethnic group, religion and
region of the country that she was from.

She realized that "Black" in the U.S. carried certain connotations and assumptions with it..Once she learned the racial history of the United States she now understands and has no problem with that identity.

Pan Africanism would be relevant in a situation where say a Black American, Caribbean and African persons were treated
different by non-black people..( Say the 3 were in a class and the professor never called on them or was surprised at the
excellent work they did in the class ) But called on other students and was not surprised with their work.
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Old 11-14-2016, 10:21 AM
 
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Not surprised the racialists groups are now foaming at the mouth over what went down recently.

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Old 11-14-2016, 10:50 AM
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Viewed video of a Nigerian immigrant to the U.S. She didn't think of herself as "Black" until that identity was "forced" upon
her in some social situations with American whites...In Nigeria, she thought of herself in terms of ethnic group, religion and
region of the country that she was from.

She realized that "Black" in the U.S. carried certain connotations and assumptions with it..Once she learned the racial history of the United States she now understands and has no problem with that identity.

Pan Africanism would be relevant in a situation where say a Black American, Caribbean and African persons were treated
different by non-black people..( Say the 3 were in a class and the professor never called on them or was surprised at the
excellent work they did in the class ) But called on other students and was not surprised with their work.

I have had this conversation with several Nigerians.(I'm not surprised)


I have also had some people try to shove the white label down my throat.(I don't identify by race, but by culture).


A large segment of America is absolutely stupid and brainwashed in this area.(Not only those that identify as White but also those that identify as Black).
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Old 11-14-2016, 11:17 AM
 
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I have had this conversation with several Nigerians.(I'm not surprised)


I have also had some people try to shove the white label down my throat.(I don't identify by race, but by culture).


A large segment of America is absolutely stupid and brainwashed in this area.(Not only those that identify as White but also those that identify as Black).
Once again Americans shows a fatal attraction to the fusion of racialism with politics & identity.

Well I guess now, the post-racial era is officially over, if it ever really began in the 1st place.

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Old 11-15-2016, 07:48 PM
 
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I will decide which arguments I find relevant thank you very much. You are the one that claimed Kunta Kinte was a real person so either put up or shut up. I'm guessing you can't put up so I'll move along.
Did Jesus Christ exist? You don't know. All you know is that a famous book has his name in it.


So continue to scream that the existence or non existence of some one called Kunta Kinte is important. You can equally wail that the inability to prove that Jesus existed is germane to whether Christianity is valid.


FACT Millions of enslaved people were brought from the Africa to the Americas. There is a valid narrative that describes these people, their descendants, and the degree to which they do or don't have an identification with Africa.


Now I know that you seem to have a vested interested in portraying African Americans as a lost people, with no heritage, no traditions, and not a trace of a residual cultural connection to Africa. Those who claim this are just as mistaken as those who will pretend as if an African American is simply an African living in America.


So continue to scream that the inability to prove that a fictive person called Kunta Kinte did or didn't exist matters. IT DOES NOT.


Now go find some topic that you are knowledgeable of. This one is outside of your depths.
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Old 11-15-2016, 09:00 PM
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Did Jesus Christ exist? You don't know. All you know is that a famous book has his name in it.


So continue to scream that the existence or non existence of some one called Kunta Kinte is important. You can equally wail that the inability to prove that Jesus existed is germane to whether Christianity is valid.

FACT Millions of enslaved people were brought from the Africa to the Americas. There is a valid narrative that describes these people, their descendants, and the degree to which they do or don't have an identification with Africa.


Now I know that you seem to have a vested interested in portraying African Americans as a lost people, with no heritage, no traditions, and not a trace of a residual cultural connection to Africa. Those who claim this are just as mistaken as those who will pretend as if an African American is simply an African living in America.


So continue to scream that the inability to prove that a fictive person called Kunta Kinte did or didn't exist matters. IT DOES NOT.


Now go find some topic that you are knowledgeable of. This one is outside of your depths.
There is evidence to suggest that the historical figure the man called Jesus likely existed. There isn't a shred of credible evidence for kunta Kinte. If you have evidence post it.

I haven't disputed that.

How so? This is a defensive tactic I have read you use multiple times when you come across another poster you can't bully.(If you can't win then claim they hate Black people).

If it doesn't matter then why did you attempt to refute my claim that he didn't exist.

I haven't claimed to have deep knowledge on this topic, but truthfully you don't appear to be as knowledgeable as you purport to be on this topic either. Not only evidenced by the fact that you claimed Kunta Kinte was a historical figure but could not provide evidence but also by your defensive demeanor.
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Old 11-15-2016, 10:10 PM
 
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I haven't claimed to have deep knowledge on this topic,
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You definitely don't, which is why you have become a troll on this topic. Not intentionally, but you don't understand the topic so you grab on to this Kunta Kinte thing.


The issue is whether Pan Africanism is valid. I happen to think that its not. An African American is an African American, not an African living in America.


Having said that African Americans and other Afro descendant people have histories, and narratives which do tie them to Africa. There are varying degrees of identification with Africa. There are varying degrees of residual African culture existing. In fact some of the food consumed by ALL Southerners reflects this African influence. Certainly much of the music and dance.


FACT the vast majority of African Americans have identities that are distinct from that of most white Americans. In fact just have a discussion of race and you will see this. White and black Americans don't even have mutual definition as to what racism is, so this is why arguments get heated.


I am a black immigrant. For a whole variety of reasons I have far more in common with a black American than I do as a white American. Being black in this country, and how blacks are treated certainly does lead to bonds developing between African Americans, Caribbean and African blacks.


Even though Moroccans and Nigerians are both Africans Nigerians will more likely mix with other blacks than they will with these very different Africans.


Many peoples came from the same part of Africa that Kunta Kinte reputedly came from. As they adjusted to life as an enslaved peoples they would have undergone the same stresses that the fictive Kunta Kinte did. Their ancestors would have certainly had experiences that Kunta Kinte's fictive descendants did.


So why the Kunta Kinte obsession?
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