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Old 11-16-2016, 06:36 PM
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You definitely don't, which is why you have become a troll on this topic. Not intentionally, but you don't understand the topic so you grab on to this Kunta Kinte thing.


The issue is whether Pan Africanism is valid. I happen to think that its not. An African American is an African American, not an African living in America.


Having said that African Americans and other Afro descendant people have histories, and narratives which do tie them to Africa. There are varying degrees of identification with Africa. There are varying degrees of residual African culture existing. In fact some of the food consumed by ALL Southerners reflects this African influence. Certainly much of the music and dance.


FACT the vast majority of African Americans have identities that are distinct from that of most white Americans. In fact just have a discussion of race and you will see this. White and black Americans don't even have mutual definition as to what racism is, so this is why arguments get heated.


I am a black immigrant. For a whole variety of reasons I have far more in common with a black American than I do as a white American. Being black in this country, and how blacks are treated certainly does lead to bonds developing between African Americans, Caribbean and African blacks.


Even though Moroccans and Nigerians are both Africans Nigerians will more likely mix with other blacks than they will with these very different Africans.


Many peoples came from the same part of Africa that Kunta Kinte reputedly came from. As they adjusted to life as an enslaved peoples they would have undergone the same stresses that the fictive Kunta Kinte did. Their ancestors would have certainly had experiences that Kunta Kinte's fictive descendants did.


So why the Kunta Kinte obsession?
1. I do actually understand the topic lol you just like to have the last word so now you're resorting to the Troll label.

2. I agree with you on this one(I have said the same thing multiple times on this thread).

3. This is true you're actually making some sense now.

4. There is truth to this statement.(However you're overgeneralizing).

5. Okay(I have no opinion on this one)

6. Nigerians I agree. I don't think so with Moroccans there is no love there you must not know many or follow their videos(but they can speak for themselves)

7. This is obvious.

8. Four or five posts doesn't make an obsession.
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Old 11-16-2016, 07:06 PM
 
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There was an article where a Black American woman was able thru a lucky break traced her family back to an Ewe town in Ghana, two brothers started a family in the U.S. in the 1600s, one "appeared" in Maryland the other in Virginia...It so happened about 9 months earlier, in what is now Ghana, two brothers "disappeared" from a town involving a skirmish with
the Dutch from a fort nearby. A contract was violated in that slaves could be brought and sold as long as they were not from
among the Ewe people. The village Griot told the history of the village.

However, once in Ghana, in one instance her Ghanaian cousin got mad a called her obrouni or white woman because she did
something American that was insulting to Ghanaian..( She didn't finish all the food put before her.) She had called her a white woman because to her Europeans and Americans are concerned about their weight and are picky eaters.

In another case, a woman in South Carolina had a song always taught to her as far back as her family can remember in an unknown language passed down from forever in that family. Come to find out it was a Mende funeral song...The tape of the
song was taken to a Mende village in Sierra Leone and was immediately recognized.

The family eventually made a trip to a Mende village and were basically adopted due to the song eventhough they could not find the specific village the family came from.

So there can still be a connection to Africa while still recognizing the obvious differences that the people connected are still
American and still African two separate cultures and nationalities.
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Old 11-18-2016, 10:46 AM
 
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1. I do actually understand the topic lol you just like to have the last word so now you're resorting to the Troll label.

2. I agree with you on this one(I have said the same thing multiple times on this thread).

3. This is true you're actually making some sense now.

4. There is truth to this statement.(However you're overgeneralizing).

5. Okay(I have no opinion on this one)

6. Nigerians I agree. I don't think so with Moroccans there is no love there you must not know many or follow their videos(but they can speak for themselves)

7. This is obvious.

8. Four or five posts doesn't make an obsession.
Like I said the racialists nuts think its party time now because of what went down recently.

Also the loons are probably more susceptible to the supermoon phenomenon that happened this week.

Probably why seems these freaks seem to got ants in their pants.

Whodini - Freaks Come Out At Night


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Old 12-04-2016, 06:54 PM
 
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Actually, Pan-Africanism is absolutely a reality. Many Diasporans in the Americas and Europe are financial and cultural partners with Africans on the continent. That doesn't mean that we should attempt to co-opt/adopt cultures that we are not members of. However, there is a shared commonality between African peoples around the globe. It's the same affinity that Americans of Irish ancestry have with Ireland (and native-born Irish). That group has the same "authenticity issues" that we have in our society (i.e. "Plastic Paddies"). That said, at the end of the day, family is family...
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Old 12-04-2016, 08:55 PM
 
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Actually, Pan-Africanism is absolutely a reality. Many Diasporans in the Americas and Europe are financial and cultural partners with Africans on the continent. That doesn't mean that we should attempt to co-opt/adopt cultures that we are not members of. However, there is a shared commonality between African peoples around the globe. It's the same affinity that Americans of Irish ancestry have with Ireland (and native-born Irish). That group has the same "authenticity issues" that we have in our society (i.e. "Plastic Paddies"). That said, at the end of the day, family is family...

Cannot agree. There is absolutely nothing in common between Irish-descent Americans (excluding 1st generation immigrants) and Irish people. Similarly, African-Americans (excluding 1st gen immigrants) really have nothing in common with Africans except for appearance.
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Old 12-04-2016, 09:15 PM
 
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Cannot agree. There is absolutely nothing in common between Irish-descent Americans (excluding 1st generation immigrants) and Irish people. Similarly, African-Americans (excluding 1st gen immigrants) really have nothing in common with Africans except for appearance.
That's nice, but untrue. We share a common goal...
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:58 AM
 
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Actually, Pan-Africanism is absolutely a reality. Many Diasporans in the Americas and Europe are financial and cultural partners with Africans on the continent. That doesn't mean that we should attempt to co-opt/adopt cultures that we are not members of. However, there is a shared commonality between African peoples around the globe. It's the same affinity that Americans of Irish ancestry have with Ireland (and native-born Irish). That group has the same "authenticity issues" that we have in our society (i.e. "Plastic Paddies"). That said, at the end of the day, family is family...
I cannot REC this post enough!!! I have been stating this for a while. Myself, my friends in London, my friends in Brazil,, etc we all have the same goals as people of color. And to be able to work together (I operate businesses here in US, UK and Rio) whilst sharing our cultural and ancestral being is what its all about to reach that goal. Your are spot on about the so called "authenticity issues" plaguing us as well. The only difference besides the cultural experiences growing up is where the diaspora landed our ancestors. We are all from the same formula.
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Old 12-05-2016, 12:53 PM
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I cannot REC this post enough!!! I have been stating this for a while. Myself, my friends in London, my friends in Brazil,, etc we all have the same goals as people of color. And to be able to work together (I operate businesses here in US, UK and Rio) whilst sharing our cultural and ancestral being is what its all about to reach that goal. Your are spot on about the so called "authenticity issues" plaguing us as well. The only difference besides the cultural experiences growing up is where the diaspora landed our ancestors. We are all from the same formula.
This sounds interesting. How do you think your goals differ from a similar group of businesses cooperating that aren't run by"people of color"? Can you elaborate on the formula?
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Old 12-05-2016, 03:18 PM
 
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That's nice, but untrue. We share a common goal...
No you don't.

Every person, black, white or any other race, is unique. Their goals are shaped by where they were born, where they grew up and where they currently live, not by their race. An African-American from Kentucky cannot relate to what a Ghanaian goes through. And on the white side of the coin, white nationalists in North America love to proclaim their European-ness, but they don't have the faintest friggin' clue about European culture. Do you think white dude Francois in Paris looks at white dude Bob in Alabama and thinks "My brother!"?.
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Old 12-05-2016, 05:53 PM
 
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No you don't.

Every person, black, white or any other race, is unique. Their goals are shaped by where they were born, where they grew up and where they currently live, not by their race. An African-American from Kentucky cannot relate to what a Ghanaian goes through. And on the white side of the coin, white nationalists in North America love to proclaim their European-ness, but they don't have the faintest friggin' clue about European culture. Do you think white dude Francois in Paris looks at white dude Bob in Alabama and thinks "My brother!"?.
Honestly, you're not them, and you are certainly not me. As such, you can only speak to who/what you perceive. Period.

Got it? Excellent, conversation ended.
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