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Old 12-17-2016, 05:08 PM
 
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Hmm, kind of similar to Zionism and Eurocentrism perhaps?
Zionism? That's about the attachment of Jews to a real common homeland. And about survival when even Germany, the epitome of a civilized country, became as dangerous and brutal as Czarist Russia for the Jews.
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Old 12-18-2016, 02:15 PM
 
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This dated article sums up some of the real challenges that exist today.

''A lot of the black Americans come here expecting to find their brothers and sisters,'' the executive said. ''But they don't share a common language or culture or background. All they share is their black skin.''

'Where is the hope for us in America?'' Mr. Moses said. ''We will never be in charge. We will always be 10 percent. We will always be fighting to keep some cop from shooting us in the back. But here it's worth the battle. You can win this here.''

Some Black Americans Find Only a Chill in South Africa - The New York Times
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Old 12-18-2016, 04:42 PM
 
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This dated article sums up some of the real challenges that exist today.

''A lot of the black Americans come here expecting to find their brothers and sisters,'' the executive said. ''But they don't share a common language or culture or background. All they share is their black skin.''

'Where is the hope for us in America?'' Mr. Moses said. ''We will never be in charge. We will always be 10 percent. We will always be fighting to keep some cop from shooting us in the back. But here it's worth the battle. You can win this here.''

Some Black Americans Find Only a Chill in South Africa - The New York Times



That is the problem, some Americans go overseas with the complexes of internal American racial dynamics
in which people unify around skin color. South Africans discriminate against other Black Africans from different countries, and are very xenophobic. So why should they make an exception for Black Americans.


Skin color is a big deal in America due to discrimination because of it, in Black Africa where everyone is black, language,culture and ethnicity are in the forefront.

When you go overseas as an American, that is how you will be primarily viewed, jealousy issues might arise
because you might be perceived to be wealthy. If you work in the foreign country you might be perceived as
taking away jobs from the natives..(This seems to be an accusation which many South Africans accuse other Africans from other countries of doing.


Black identity is only important in areas of the world where Blacks are in the minority and marginalized
because of it. If Black Americans want to go to a majority black country go to Jamaica or the Bahamas.

This naive attitude about "going home to Africa" needs to stop... I can understand it is a psychological reaction to racism and why it developed. But it is very naive.
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Old 12-19-2016, 01:49 AM
 
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That is the problem, some Americans go overseas with the complexes of internal American racial dynamics
in which people unify around skin color. South Africans discriminate against other Black Africans from different countries, and are very xenophobic. So why should they make an exception for Black Americans.


Skin color is a big deal in America due to discrimination because of it, in Black Africa where everyone is black, language,culture and ethnicity are in the forefront.
Umm no......

The historical context of race doesn't actually exist. modernly the word is really just a idiom term for ancestry. People of different ancestry happen to be different skin colors but skin color is irrelevant. It's ancestry. Something that happen in every country literally.If it was just skin color Black Americans would go to the south pacific. it's heritage. Black Americans and the African diaspora are Yoruba, Wolof, Igbo, Mandé, Ewe, Fon, Akan and etc etc people. Many go to Africa because they want to learn more about their heritage. If some one native American but they was born in Europe they may want to learn about their heritage. It's the same thing, racism has nothing to do with that part.

But this also show chase you have no idea what pan Africanism or what your arguing.



This thread premise is a little weird because it's such abstract overgeneralize question that it doesn't even make sense nor can it be answer. And Op seem to be confused to what pan Africanism even is. Pan Africanism is more broader then black people going back to Africa. OP frame Pan Africanism as just that. When that is not even the tip of the iceberg. Pan Africanism can be express in multiple ways, though art, music, history etc it's raising awareness of the history and culture of people of African descent and promoting those cultures history and etc.

I notice you keeping stating their cultural differences between Black Americans and African, you seem not to understand the reason some blacks go because they want to learn and reconnet. If African culture was completely the same there would not be anything to reconnect and learn. Of course African cultures are different that kind of the point.


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When you go overseas as an American, that is how you will be primarily viewed, jealousy issues might arise
because you might be perceived to be wealthy. If you work in the foreign country you might be perceived as
taking away jobs from the natives..(This seems to be an accusation which many South Africans accuse other Africans from other countries of doing.


Black identity is only important in areas of the world where Blacks are in the minority and marginalized
because of it. If Black Americans want to go to a majority black country go to Jamaica or the Bahamas.

This naive attitude about "going home to Africa" needs to stop... I can understand it is a psychological reaction to racism and why it developed. But it is very naive.
Black Americans don't have issue with being called Americans

Black American would have issue with being called as said in your other post "white" when there predominantly of African Ancestry. That has little do with nationality, but black do that when they think of a person or a group as sell outs or as Black Americans would say uncle toms.

Some Africans see Western countries as imperialist, with low educations of African American culture and history, and some may seen stereotypes they could get negative views of Black Americans. The same thing can happen to Africans coming to the US. If a Black American is ignorant they may disrespect some Africa.

But ignorance is ignorance you should be offended by ignorance. If anything it highlight why there need to be more connection and education not less.


Ghanaian minister of tourism I remember this awhile back. @ 12:00
vimeo.com

Also He made a few pan African points in this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEAgiiWd6_E
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Old 12-20-2016, 06:30 PM
 
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Saw the video on Ghana, I liked it, In my experience, people from Ghana seem very friendly.. Actually at work, one Ghanaian
gentleman came up to me in the hall and simply introduced himself because he had seen me in the neighborhood several months ago.

As far as the video, The Minister of Tourism reached out to Black Americans which was cool, he could have been sincere, but
he is also the Minister of Tourism which means he wants American Dollars $$$. I noticed also, him and his wife seem to be
racially mixed compared to the population around them.

I have had quite a few African friends and acquaintances, but I know I am not an African because I do not belong to a specific ethnic group, I have an African heritage but which one(s)?: Fon, Yoruba, Mende, Soso, Mandingo? etc. Some Africans have accepted me as a brother some have not.

I do know if I were to go to Africa, I will not automatically be accepted by everyone just because I am black and it would not be "home". I have been to the Caribbean several times and did notice that they were more friendly with the Black American tourists than the white ones in my experience.

Pan Africanism is more complex on the ground in real life situations and is not a one size fits all theory.
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Old 12-20-2016, 06:32 PM
 
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In my experience, Nigerians don't seem to be that much into the notion of Pan Africanism.
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Old 12-21-2016, 12:22 PM
 
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We are really not seeing as Nigeria has one of the highest rates of ethnic violence due to the large amount of ethnic groups in the country. So how can Africa unite when in just one state that is a few thousand square miles, four different ethnic conflicts are going on??
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Old 12-21-2016, 02:43 PM
 
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Delusional. Specially those that claim the Olmecs and other Native Americans were African.
The afrocentric freakshow crawled out of its rock right around the time of the elections, it seems that the racialists nuts are all part of the same collective.

The plantation generations, massah & his slaves & his dependents.
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Old 12-21-2016, 04:37 PM
 
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The afrocentric freakshow crawled out of its rock right around the time of the elections, it seems that the racialists nuts are all part of the same collective.

The plantation generations, massah & his slaves & his dependents.
So much bigotry and ignorance in this post. But I put it this way, Racism is to put another group down by race

You basically over generally any one black who want to learn there roots and than negativity at that.

Your literal definition of racist.
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Old 12-21-2016, 04:40 PM
 
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Saw the video on Ghana, I liked it, In my experience, people from Ghana seem very friendly.. Actually at work, one Ghanaian
gentleman came up to me in the hall and simply introduced himself because he had seen me in the neighborhood several months ago.

As far as the video, The Minister of Tourism reached out to Black Americans which was cool, he could have been sincere, but
he is also the Minister of Tourism which means he wants American Dollars $$$. I noticed also, him and his wife seem to be
racially mixed compared to the population around them.

I have had quite a few African friends and acquaintances, but I know I am not an African because I do not belong to a specific ethnic group, I have an African heritage but which one(s)?: Fon, Yoruba, Mende, Soso, Mandingo? etc. Some Africans have accepted me as a brother some have not.

I do know if I were to go to Africa, I will not automatically be accepted by everyone just because I am black and it would not be "home". I have been to the Caribbean several times and did notice that they were more friendly with the Black American tourists than the white ones in my experience.

Pan Africanism is more complex on the ground in real life situations and is not a one size fits all theory.


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Originally Posted by Agbor View Post
Saw the video on Ghana, I liked it, In my experience, people from Ghana seem very friendly.. Actually at work, one Ghanaian
gentleman came up to me in the hall and simply introduced himself because he had seen me in the neighborhood several months ago.

As far as the video, The Minister of Tourism reached out to Black Americans which was cool, he could have been sincere, but
he is also the Minister of Tourism which means he wants American Dollars $$$. I noticed also, him and his wife seem to be
racially mixed compared to the population around them.

I have had quite a few African friends and acquaintances, but I know I am not an African because I do not belong to a specific ethnic group, I have an African heritage but which one(s)?: Fon, Yoruba, Mende, Soso, Mandingo? etc. Some Africans have accepted me as a brother some have not.

I do know if I were to go to Africa, I will not automatically be accepted by everyone just because I am black and it would not be "home". I have been to the Caribbean several times and did notice that they were more friendly with the Black American tourists than the white ones in my experience.

Pan Africanism is more complex on the ground in real life situations and is not a one size fits all theory.
He said African diaspora not just African Americans, but he didn't mention tourism he said come and be a part of the rebuilding rebuilding process.

But Your still generalizing, Your post are more specifically about garveyism that then broadness of what Pan Africanism is. You think pan Africanism is a specific theory, when Pan Africanism is very broad it's not one ideas, beliefs and views. It's pretty much any intercultural relation between one African decent group to another. It could be political, economical, cultural, heck deep, shallow and etc anything.

Some one in Africa believing Africa should be politically one nation has nothing to do with a Afro West Indian wanting to know his African roots, or A Black American and Black Brazilian learning about each other current cultures. Those 3 situation hardly have anything to do with each other but yet they can be call pan Africanism. Pan Africanism is very broad.

Another thing you fail to understand Pan Africanism is not center around whether or not Black Africans have accepting of African Americans or blacks calling Africa Home. You don't need permission from Black Africans for the African diaspora to learn about there our roots nor does the African diaspora have to leave there birth culture. Again is generalizing to state who's more fond of who, there going to be yes and no, agree and disagree with people in every society. People support Pan Africanism for different things and reasons.

I'm more into learning about African history and spreading it.
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