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Old Yesterday, 07:27 AM
 
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Up until 1910, the US government classified people who looked mixed to them as mulatto. One can find this on the census records. By 1920 the US decided to do away with mulatto as a separate category. So thereīs also the decision of the government.

In English mulatto is an archaic term that NO ONE would call themselves, even if they identified as mixed. Obviously itīs associated with the slavery era in which a slaveowner would take one of his slaves as a concubine and have a so called "mulatto" child.

For that reason alone I cannot imagine ever calling myself that.

And yes, this happened throughout the Caribbean and Latin America.

Even in the Spanish speaking world today, "mulatto" I do not believe is commonly used. People just donīt commonly call themselves "mulattos". Itīs an obsolete term, like calling someone "coloured" or calling someone "Negro" in the context of the United States.
Mulatto is an obsolete term in English and becoming obsolete in Spanish too, but the point i am trying to make is that latin america has a larger number of afro-descendants than the US and the number of people that identify as black is about the same.

ADOS warrior seems to do not understand that 20% admixture is a very relevant amount. making the average African american a defacto mixed-race person.
blackness in the US is a cultural thing and not necessarily genetic. As the "one drop rule" seems to be the determinant factor in determining ones identity and not genetics. And thats ok, nothing wrong with that. A person is free to identify with whatever culture they believe is the determinant one in the formation of their identities.

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Old Yesterday, 07:52 AM
 
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The only latin territories/countries(excluding Haiti) with significant Afro descendants are Brazil, Colombia, Dominican Rep, Panama, Cuba and PR. That's basically it. The Afro ancestry is not that widespread as people make it out to be in Latin America outside a few countries.

BS. there are 3-4 millions of black Peruvians.
in Venezuela there are at least 1 million of people that are pure black and the number of afro-descendants is north of 5 million. Most Venezuelans claim some African blood, and Afro-Venezuelan culture is acknowledged as an vital component of national identity.
Same thing in Honduras.
afro nicaraguans are between 600k and 1 milion.
Afro Ecuadorians are 1.2 million people.
ect

Funny how you left more than 12 million of people out when you made your generalization.
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Old Yesterday, 11:16 AM
 
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No it doesn't. Its a stupid ass myth that won't go away. Retard. The REAL Afro-Brazilian population is 14,517,961. All together(if you factor in Haiti) they are approximately 37.2 million. That's low compared to African-Americans who are around 45 million.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Latin_Americans

vs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans

Even if you want to factor in one drop rule for Dominicans who don't consider themselves "Black." It's still barely enough or SLIGHTLY above Aframs.
The Organization of American States puts the number of afrodesendants in the Americas at 200 million.
if there are 40 millions in the US and six millions in the English Caribbean.

Where are the other 152 million?

As i said before, afro-descedants in Latin america are 3 times more than in the US.

You dont have to consider yourself black to participate and acknowledge that African culture is part of your culture, thats a myopic, binary mentality from certain people in the US.

That "all or nothing" mindset, is grounded in the one drop rule. The you are with us or against us, mentality.

https://www.oas.org/dil/afrodescendants.htm
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Old Yesterday, 11:47 AM
 
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And yes, this happened throughout the Caribbean and Latin America.

Even in the Spanish speaking world today, "mulatto" I do not believe is commonly used. People just donīt commonly call themselves "mulattos". Itīs an obsolete term, like calling someone "coloured" or calling someone "Negro" in the context of the United States.


Every time the subject of skin colorism in Latin America hordes of people descend screaming that only someone who looks 100% out of Africa is black. Whether they still use the term "mulatto" isn't the issue. The reality is that the don't consider people who are significantly Afro descent, but who have some indication of non Afro identity to be "black".


In the Anglo Caribbean people who used to be called "mulatto" are often referred to as "brown". Some of their ancestors were part of the plantation elites and were proud owners of enslaved people. Race is a social construct and so varies across borders.
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Old Yesterday, 11:49 AM
 
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ADOS warrior seems to do not understand that 20% admixture is a very relevant amount. making the average African american a defacto mixed-race person.
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Here is how it goes in Latin America. An Afro descendant who is 20% non Afro is not "black" A Euro who is 20% Afro is still white.
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Old Yesterday, 11:54 AM
 
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The Organization of American States puts the number of afrodesendants in the Americas at 200 million.
if there are 40 millions in the US and six millions in the English Caribbean.

Where are the other 152 million?

As i said before, afro-descedants in Latin america are 3 times more than in the US.

You dont have to consider yourself black to participate and acknowledge that African culture is part of your culture, thats a myopic, binary mentality from certain people in the US.

That "all or nothing" mindset, is grounded in the one drop rule. The you are with us or against us, mentality.

https://www.oas.org/dil/afrodescendants.htm


In Latin America most people with some Afro ancestry don't want to be called "black" because they see this as degrading. Yes this is increasingly less true with the growth of black empowerment movements, but it is still a norm.


So gov'ts have to gather up all sorts of populations with varying degrees of Afro ancestry to get statistics because otherwise this population is under counted.


It becomes a real issue. Who is or isn't "black". This is a hard concept for most US Americans to understand.
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Old Yesterday, 11:58 AM
 
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In Latin America most people with some Afro ancestry don't want to be called "black" because they see this as degrading. Yes this is increasingly less true with the growth of black empowerment movements, but it is still a norm.


So gov'ts have to gather up all sorts of populations with varying degrees of Afro ancestry to get statistics because otherwise this population is under counted.


It becomes a real issue. Who is or isn't "black". This is a hard concept for most US Americans to understand.
people dont call themselves black because they are not. there is no conspiracy only truth. why would they call themselves something they are not?

thats black american paranoia speaking.

The funny thing is that African american are convinced that latin Americans are ashamed of their black heritage but the fact is that latin american preserve MORE AFRICAN CULTURE than African Americans by a lot.


and thats particularly true with Dominicans, Puerto ricans, Colombians and Brazilians.

African religions are practiced, African cuisine, art, music. not all that southern fried stuff they call African in the US or that heavy deluded music they call african music in the US.

You only have to walk around NYC to see that basically the only stores dedicated to sell African religious ornaments and potions are ether owned by Africans themselves or by Dominicans/Puerto Africans , they call them "botanica" and they are everywhere.

Have you seen an African American inside one of these? never!!. AA are protestants and will never blend their religion with any of that.

Doing a drum circle on Saturday afternoon on central/prospect park does not count as "African culture", thats something Hippys do when they want to pretend they have knowledge of world cultures. very low bar right there.

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Old Yesterday, 11:58 AM
 
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there is not such thing as pan-africanism, thats something that only exist int eh head of AA and some Caribbeans.
in latam where the largest amount of the African diaspora lives by a big big margins, pan africanism does not exist. is not even a though. There people see them self as members of their respective countries and do no see other black people as brother or anything like it. The relationship between black Latin americans is basically the same of all latinoamericans.


It is very true that there is weaker "black" ethnic identification in the Spanish/Portuguese nations than among the English and French nations in the Americas. It is also true that their socio economic condition lags behind most of the population and that they suffer much institutional racism and implicit bias.


In places like Brazil where black empowerment movements exist it becomes interesting how similar the language of racism begins to sound like that of the USA. There is an increasing understanding that racism does exist and that this has to be fixed.
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Old Yesterday, 12:01 PM
 
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Brazil(people may have forgotten that latino isn't exclusive to just Spanish) has the largest population with significant degrees of black ancestry in Latin America and it appears they are "woke" so to speak, or at the very least aware that they are treated a bit differently. Hell, they speak Yoruba in certain states of the country.
https://qz.com/africa/1224485/black-...k-afro-brazil/


Don't know that they speak Yoruba. They use Yoruba in certain religious rituals just as how some Catholics use Latin.
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Old Yesterday, 12:08 PM
 
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Our population growth isn't that fast and I'll say 41 mill conservatively. Those stats includes the Black umbrella not Aframs alone. So another 4 mill or so includes the Africans & Afro Carribeans/Hispanics/Canadians/Europeans too.


The US census states African American/black. Partially because not all black descendants of American slavery self identify as AA, but also because 10% of this population aren't descendants of US slavery.
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