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Old 08-24-2019, 07:30 PM
 
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This is the kinds of lies you like to spread, there is no way 30% of the Slaves were Muslim, not even the the Sahel ever was a 30% Muslim population at that time, THE ELITE was Muslim. A Muslim minority ruled the people. The amount of Muslims that actually were sent to the Americas was pretty small, in the single digits. but you insist in spreading this nonsense. If we consider that less than 400k slaves were send to the US, how many people are we taking about ? a couple thousands over a period of 200 years scattered over 1 million square miles of the American south. Do you see now the idiocy of your argument?
So if the bulk of the African Americans descend from Yoruba, and such tribes, why haven't traditionally African Americans tried to reconnect with that heritage and insist in hooking themselves to other cultures like Muslim, Jews, Egyptians and all that other nonsense? creating a false narrative to bypass the bulk of the true heritage.

I already told you why.

ADOS is an american nativist movement that pretends to drive a wedge of division among the diaspora and Africans. Specially because as I said, deep inside they reject Africa and its true culture. And pretend to create this false narrative based of half cooked "facts". The traumas of slavery lead them to rationalized this line of thinking fantasizing with being descendant of great civilizations and other wakandas. This phenomenon is strictly american, no one else in the diaspora or sub-Sahara Africa spends so much time and energy in this rationalizations. A product of an inferiority complex. ADOS, Nation of Islam, Rastafarians, Black Hebrews, are all product of this "perpetual need" to show the white man they have a "prestigious lineage" and to the rest of the diaspora, their -cultural superiority- when compared to the "savage practices" of the pagan Africans "they" descend from.

This nonsense has been going on for over 100 years now, it just takes different forms. plenty of propaganda has been written about it, therefore the self quoting scheme of this movement.


Yes, around 30% were muslims. Someone checked it in Cuban sugar plantations.
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Old 08-25-2019, 12:12 AM
 
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Yes, around 30% were muslims. Someone checked it in Cuban sugar plantations.
Can you cite your sources? Otherwise people are just making up stuff and believing what they want.
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:53 AM
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Yes, around 30% were muslims. Someone checked it in Cuban sugar plantations.
30% is a bit high from what I've found. The estimates tend to be that between 15-30% of African males and less than 15% of African females imported as slaves were Muslim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_..._States#Slaves (citation is footnote 41 to the wiki article). Still, that's not an insignificant number/percentage.
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Old 08-25-2019, 11:04 AM
 
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30% is a bit high from what I've found. The estimates tend to be that between 15-30% of African males and less than 15% of African females imported as slaves were Muslim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_..._States#Slaves (citation is footnote 41 to the wiki article). Still, that's not an insignificant number/percentage.
Bunch of nonsense. the people spreading this lies edit those wikipedia pages to spread their lies thinking no one is paying attention.
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Old 08-25-2019, 04:42 PM
 
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30% is a bit high from what I've found. The estimates tend to be that between 15-30% of African males and less than 15% of African females imported as slaves were Muslim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_..._States#Slaves (citation is footnote 41 to the wiki article). Still, that's not an insignificant number/percentage.
A lot of African-American have ancestry tracing back to Mali or Senegal, which are almost all Muslim, although a noticeably smaller percentage in comparison to others(the average AA will have much higher ancestry from Benin/Togo, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, and the Congo) in most cases, but it's there. Even countries like Nigeria(where perhaps every AA have ancestry in certain degrees) have around a 50% Muslim population. Up to 40% of enslaved African brought to the US came from mostly Muslim countries; so a high estimate of 30% may as well not be too far off the mark.

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Old 08-26-2019, 08:17 AM
 
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A lot of African-American have ancestry tracing back to Mali or Senegal, which are almost all Muslim, although a noticeably smaller percentage in comparison to others(the average AA will have much higher ancestry from Benin/Togo, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, and the Congo) in most cases, but it's there. Even countries like Nigeria(where perhaps every AA have ancestry in certain degrees) have around a 50% Muslim population. Up to 40% of enslaved African brought to the US came from mostly Muslim countries; so a high estimate of 30% may as well not be too far off the mark.
those countries have lots of muslims today but not in the 1700s. Modern african countries are very different from 300 years ago. your theory makes no sense. Islam expanded into this countries AFTER the end of the Slave trade.
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Old 08-26-2019, 09:41 AM
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those countries have lots of muslims today but not in the 1700s. Modern african countries are very different from 300 years ago. your theory makes no sense. Islam expanded into this countries AFTER the end of the Slave trade.
You're right about Senegal, etc. While Islam was introduced into Senegal well before the slave trade ended, it did not become widespread there until after several battles and forced conversations hundreds of years later, though possibly technically right before the end of the slave trade.

On the whole, Islam was first introduced into West Africa well before the end of the slave trade, and to varying degrees of success/influence initially. Some African kingdoms in what is now Nigeria had embraced Islam much earlier. As political leaders converted, their subjects fell in line. Others, like modern day Senegal, saw more resistance initially.
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Old 08-26-2019, 09:54 AM
 
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dude your fake propaganda was debunked. get something else to do. you are not good at this.
With what? lol.

You even ran away from the creole language argument. Which is showed that ADOS has more creole languages than Afro-Latinos who arguable have none. You're like a zombie at this point who keeps coming back.
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Old 08-26-2019, 09:57 AM
 
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To be clear I wasn't even arguing that Aframs are majority genetically from Senegambia. My point was that Afram culture is largely influenced by West African Sahelians who came from Muslim areas hence string instrument found in early Afram Blues which has roots in the West African sahel i.e the Banjo.

But of course people like Grabandgo and NYCwriterdude believes anything that does not fit their narrow box of Aframs is "fabrications."
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Old 08-26-2019, 10:01 AM
 
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A lot of African-American have ancestry tracing back to Mali or Senegal, which are almost all Muslim, although a noticeably smaller percentage in comparison to others(the average AA will have much higher ancestry from Benin/Togo, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, and the Congo) in most cases, but it's there. Even countries like Nigeria(where perhaps every AA have ancestry in certain degrees) have around a 50% Muslim population. Up to 40% of enslaved African brought to the US came from mostly Muslim countries; so a high estimate of 30% may as well not be too far off the mark.

Never heard about Benin/Togo. AAs seems to have more ancestry from Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea which gets lumped in with Ghanian ancestry on Ancestry.com. Cameroon and Nigeria like you pointed out also has a Muslim population and as I've shown slave traders were taking slaves from Northern Nigeria like the Hausa. More importantly it depends on which state because Afram ancestry varies. Virginia AAs are mostly Igbo while SC and GA are mostly Senegambia.

But like I said I wasn't trying to show that AAs are mostly Mali and Sengalese but that our culture was largely influenced by cultures from the Sahel due to drumming being banned and so we relied on string instruments from the Sahel. Of course Nycwriterdude and his buddy ignored this post. All those instruments which helped development of the Blues came from the West African Sahel. AAs have a low percentage of Senegambian ancestry compared to say... Puerto Rico but in terms of raw numbers(due to being a bigger population) we have more Senegambia ancestry if that makes sense.

And yes I heard the 30% estimate many times. Whether the case maybe the Sahelian influence on Afram culture out-lived the Congo/Coastal West African influence.
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